Enemy of the People

[Berzerker]

I'm not a fan of lying either

 

[Broken_Erika]

I'm not a fan of lying either

Not lying is the worst sin a politician can commit and will result in immediate impeachment!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

To answer your question as it was asked, so far as aI am aware the right wing media never called the Obama election illegitimate or agitated for his impeachment.

You got to be shitting me.

 

[Ryika]

Not lying is the worst sin a politician can commit and will result in immediate impeachment!

Trump doesn't lie, and he's going to be president for another 6+ years.

 

[Dachs]

No, I'm saying that the states, designed as they are - force the most wildly progressively representative arm of government to act in a manner that is significantly novel compared to the other voter-vulnerable arms - namely the House and the Executive, who respond far more consistently along bespoke socio-economic lines. Particularly the House with its relatively compact relatively consistently (bespoke-by-design)populated districts.

Still don't see how any of that is off the script, except for the kitschy misuse of "progressively representative". Yes, the Senate is novel compared to more representative institutions, because it's different by design, and because the design sucks.

 

[Lexicus]

Still don't see how any of that is off the script, except for the kitschy misuse of "progressively representative". Yes, the Senate is novel compared to more representative institutions, because it's different by design, and because the design sucks.

Novel, or retro?

 

[Farm Boy]

Right, it sucks. That's the script.

Spoiler :

 

[stinkubus]

You got to be ****ting me.

 

[Dachs]

Right, it sucks. That's the script.

Spoiler :

I mean, you haven't done a very good job of saying that the script sucks, despite all the innuendo.

The mean income of people living in low-population states is lower than the mean income of people living in high-population states. But more low-income people live in high-population states, because, y'know, they're high-population states. In general, progressives tend to support measures that increase the relative voting power of poorer people for ideological reasons and, obviously, because those people tend to vote Democratic. The reason progressives don't like the Senate is because it is bad at representing poor people overall and good at representing the white rural poor of certain states. That's a big difference. Saying that the Senate is progressive for advantageously franchising certain groups of white rural poor is a gross misuse of the term progressive, and it isn't a very good "gotcha".

 

[Archon_Wing]

Actually it is perfectly acceptable in some cases to shame people for their choices. If you support say, a known pedophile, just because he is of a certain party, you should be ridiculed. Now people should not have a right to know what you voted for nor should they punch you in the face for voting but everyone can voice their opinons. You have a right to express your opinion, but you are not free from peopl's reactions.

However, this goes both ways. So if you want to get on someone's case, don't cry if it comes around.

Also lol@ Republican victimhood. For the defenders of the free market, they sure don't like it when it doesn't go their way....

 

[Farm Boy]

It's not a gotcha*. It's a diversifying force. It forces, every now and then, the issue to actually be something different. It's also held up Trump, while not completely stopping him, with the intraparty friction it creates, despite his party's total ascendance.

I mean, everything everything could be about high population density consumption and service based economic units, diced up and gerrymandered by the power of the hour, and enough of it is. <shrugs> I'm not in love with it, but I'm glad it's there just like I'm glad the statehouses have power.

*The script(for here) is that the Senate sucks. I mean, it's not like I'm making a full throated argument for its progressiveness anyways. I mean, it overrepresents the dickens out of the wealthy-as-hell NE seabord(median) and Hawaii and Alaska(the same) while it's at it.

 

[Broken_Erika]

You got to be ****ting me.

An essential tool in every republicans arsenal.

 

[Berzerker]

Actually it is perfectly acceptable in some cases to shame people for their choices. If you support say, a known pedophile, just because he is of a certain party, you should be ridiculed. Now people should not have a right to know what you voted for nor should they punch you in the face for voting but everyone can voice their opinons. You have a right to express your opinion, but you are not free from peopl's reactions.

However, this goes both ways. So if you want to get on someone's case, don't cry if it comes around.

Also lol@ Republican victimhood. For the defenders of the free market, they sure don't like it when it doesn't go their way....

You're comparing a pedophile to the Green party.

You voted for a pedophile, shame on you
You voted for the Green party and cost my candidate the election, shame on you

The first seems reasonable, the 2nd is undemocratic - but maybe pedophiles need representation too

Georgetown University professor and MSNBC political analyst Michael Eric Dyson apologized to conservative activist Candace Owens after he dismissed her as “little girl” during a heated on-air exchange Tuesday night.

Ms. Owens, a black Trump-supporter who serves as Turning Point USA’s communications director, was recently run out of a Philadelphia restaurant by a group of antifa protesters screaming “white supremacy!”

“Am I black?” Ms. Owens asked in the interview. “I am a black conservative and I am not hearing anything said about the fact that about 25 white Democrats assembled to kick me out of a restaurant yesterday to throw water and to throw eggs at me because I’m a conservative that supports Donald Trump.”

Mr. Dyson erupted after Ms. Owens accused him of condoning attacks on conservatives, black or white.

“I’m not God, I don’t control the universe or weather,” he said. “I did not point these people toward you. I think it’s reprehensible that any human being is put out of a particular establishment because of her ideology. I think that that’s problematic. I did not suggest that. Number two, yeah, you are black and I am black, but that doesn’t mean that automatically we agree on everything.

“You have come on here and like Donald Trump reduced everything to narcissistic self-preoccupation and articulation of your—,” he said before Ms. Owens interjected.

“You’re using big words and saying nothing,” she said.

“Can I finish my point?” Mr. Dyson asked repeatedly as Ms. Owens talked over him. “Narcissism, whether black or white, is problematic. Here is a woman incapable of arguing, therefore she articulates and overspeaks people. Bless your heart, little girl.”

Mr. Dyson later took to Twitter to apologize to Ms. Owens for appearing dismissive of her.

He appeared dismissive...he's not a sexist pig

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/8/candace-owens-gets-apology-from-michael-eric-dyson/

The left is picking a fight they're gonna lose with this practice of harassing people

 

[Archon_Wing]

You're comparing a pedophile to the Green party.

You voted for a pedophile, shame on you
You voted for the Green party and co

If someone uses that logic then well, go out and have a conversation with that guy screaming about the end of the world since you'd have a more productive conversation. Some people don't want to talk to you. They talk at you.

And you are right people are not entitled to your vote. They have a right to think that though since people have a right to be stupid. And you have a right to react accordingly (nonviolenly of course)

Personally I think Democrats should give each other crap if their lack of unity causes problems. If they stayed hone, shame on them. But if you're third party, then it really, I don't even see how you have any obligation at all.