Euro vs. Dollar, Oil and Iraq

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There are many reasons why the US has invaded Iraq, the possible posesions of WMD being one of them. But there is an aspect of the Iraq war that has not been widely discussed but still could have been an important factor why the US was so eager to decide it was time for an invasion. and that reason was the threat it would be for the US economy if the Dollar would be exchanged for the Euro in the world's oil market.

The hegemony of the US economy is largely founded on the fact that the Dollar is the world's most important currency, 80% of all valuta transactions are done in Dollar's and approximatly 2/3 of the world's exports are in Dollar's. On top of that all loans given by the IMF are in Dollar's.

Because there are so many dollar's circulating outside the United States the US is able to have an enormous trade deficit. Last year the import into the United states was 48% than the US export. No other country can maintain such a huge trade deficit for such a long time. This in fact makes sure the US gets enormous interest free lones from the rest of the world and they don't have to do anything for it.

The hegemony of the Dollar makes sure the US is making dollars and the world is making product's to make sure they have enough dollars in reserve to pay foreign debts and secure there own Valuta.

'Per definition Dollar reserves must be invested in the US creating Capital surplus in the US economy, this surplus finances the US trade deficit. On top of that you could state that every possesion in Dollar's is in fact an American owned property. When oil by us intervention is payed in Dollar's and the Dollar is the only world currency the US infact's get their oil for free. And the more Dollar the US produce the more American possesion will increase in value. A strong dollar policy gives the US a double profit" (Asian Times)

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Since recently their has been a new kid on the block in the form of the Euro. And their indications that in the Euro is contesting with the Dollar for the price of being the world's leading currency. Of course the Euro zone is an enormous economicaly powerfull block. One of the main goals when introducing the Euro was to make the Euro the world's most important reserve currency, this will let Europe enjoy a free increase in capital, like the Dollar has now.

This will be desatrous for the United States, not only will it mean they will lose their free investment's and products, but countries will also be forced to exchange (partially) their Dollar reserves for Euro reserves. This will let the Dollar fall in value rapidly. The American import will become more expensive. When countries start chaging their Dollar posessions for Euro possesions this will also have an impact on the US stock market. The FED will not be able to print more dollar's to cope with the situation, while their wont be foreing buyers for those dollars. It will only increase the inflation and thus the crises.

Now what's the main obstacle to making the Euro the world's leading currency? The answer is oil. Oil is the most important good that's being traded world wide. It's also a must have for all modern economies, If you don't have oil, you have to buy it and to by it you need Dollars.

These oil Dollars are called petrodollars and the US print hunderds of billions of these which are used bu countries to buy oil. These pertodollars come back to the US in the form of bonds stocks or possesions in dollars. As long as countries need dollars to buy oil Amercian economic hegemony is ensured.

Cóilín Nunan: This situation means the US controls the world trade in an effectibe manner: You can only by oil if you have dollars and the only one with the right to make Dollars is the United States.

But what is the case. Many oil producing nations are thinking about getting rid of the Dollar for their oil exchange's and stepping over to the Euro. The Euro zone is a bigger importer of oil then the US, and the political situation in the middle east is such that getting rid of the dollar is very popular. And change from dollar to euro will have huge consequences for the US economy. And every country that makes a suggestion which could lead to that to happen can be sure America won't like it.

And what is the case? Iraq was the first oil producing country that changed to Euro's in 2000. Because of the fast rise in value of the Euro this was highly profitable, and other countries started to tink about it as well. Iran was the second country that stated it is thinking about doing it.

What's extra alarming for the US is that the middle east is not the only part of the world stepping over. China a country that's on second place when it comes to money reserves has stated it will exchange their reserves from Dollar's to Euro's. China has 200 billion dollars in reserve. The same is happening in Russia and many other countries around the world.

The crucial question is if the US is able to make sure the oil transactions around the world will be done in Dollars. This will mean making sure the OPEC countries will do what the US want's and they must stop oil producing nations like Iraq, Iran and Venezuele from stepping over to the Euro. The Invasions of Iraq was not so much a profit maker but an Opec breaker giving a signal to oil producing countries that the US is not happy with going to the Euro. One could argue that that was also the reason for punishing Iran by calling them part of the axis of evil.

Of course it's possible that Europe and the US make an agreement on this, to prevent further economic conflict's in the future. Whatever happens it will have a huge impact on the world economy in the next decade.

edit- sorry for misspelling
 
Very interesting article. This is quite complicated, so it is hard to predict anything. Probably it will hurt the US badly, but it is justified when one considers the current ridiculously high budget deficit of the US. ;)

Anyway, sometimes I hope that a strategic resource called oil never existed on planet Earth.
 
Sorry I didn't read that thread, well we can just talk about it again ;)

I translated it partially from a Dutch article btw.
 
Originally posted by Drunk Master
Sorry I didn't read that thread, well we can just talk about it again ;)

I translated it partially from a Dutch article btw.
Yeah you're right. Anyway, the simple point is that three countries in the OPEC have decided to accept to be paid in euros : Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. Then two of them had been put in the Axis of Evil and the last one became the American Pariah.

We can still argue about Iraq and Iran, but in the case of the Venezuela, it's obvious that he had all those issues of oil strikes mainly because of the decision to accept euros for oil. The riots had been backed by Washington.

In the 12 members of the OPEC, 9 are currently corrupted by the US, 1 is corrupted by France (Algeria) and 2 are unindentified (Venezuela, Iran).

According to recent polls, there are no doubt Bush will be re-elected. His first task will be to make it sure that oil will still be available worldwide only in US dollars. We can bet Chavez wouldn't last very long after 2004 US elections and Iran will have to chose between Saddam's and Qadhafi's alternatives. The purpose of Washington's administration is to lock the situation in that area.
 
Originally posted by Marla_Singer
Yeah you're right. Anyway, the simple point is that three countries in the OPEC have decided to accept to be paid in euros : Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. Then two of them had been put in the Axis of Evil and the last one became the American Pariah.

We can still argue about Iraq and Iran, but in the case of the Venezuela, it's obvious that he had all those issues of oil strikes mainly because of the decision to accept euros for oil. The riots had been backed by Washington.

In the 12 members of the OPEC, 9 are currently corrupted by the US, 1 is corrupted by France (Algeria) and 2 are unindentified (Venezuela, Iran).

According to recent polls, there are no doubt Bush will be re-elected. His first task will be to make it sure that oil will still be available worldwide only in US dollars. We can bet Chavez wouldn't last very long after 2004 US elections and Iran will have to chose between Saddam's and Qadhafi's alternatives. The purpose of Washington's administration is to lock the situation in that area.
You the frogs with all your conspiracy theories. :mad:

The awckward thing in your way of thinking is that 75% of OPEC countries are Arabs and as such they are antiamericans. How can you consider them as Washington puppets then ? ;)
 
Originally posted by EmpireofVirtue
You the frogs with all your conspiracy theories. :mad:

The awckward thing in your way of thinking is that 75% of OPEC countries are Arabs and as such they are antiamericans. How can you consider them as Washington puppets then ? ;)

The Arab masses in the streets are anti-American. The leaders of Arab countries are primarely interested in making sure their pockets get filled by oil revenues as fast as possible. If it's American money or not makes no difference to them.

Infact the Saudi royal familty gets rich from oil revenues while the US insures their protection from terrorists like Bin Laden, imagine what would hapen to the oil market if Fundamentalist would take over in Saudi Arabia.
 
Originally posted by Marla_Singer


In the 12 members of the OPEC, 9 are currently corrupted by the US, 1 is corrupted by France (Algeria) and 2 are unindentified (Venezuela, Iran).

Corrupted by France?

To do what exactly? Is France putting pressure on them to make the switch to the Euro currency?

If so :goodjob:

I think it will be great for the European economy if we could have as a world currency similair to the dollar. And if there was ever a time in history achieved it would be now given the political situation in the world.

Do you think one of the reasons for France and Germany not to back the war because of Saddam used the Euro, and was giving an example to the rest of the oil producing nations?
 
Originally posted by Drunk Master
Corrupted by France?

To do what exactly? Is France putting pressure on them to make the switch to the Euro currency?

If so :goodjob:
Well unfortunately, there are no reasons to be optimistic about it.

Buteflika is mostly controlled by France because it's in French strategic interests to keep up stability in Algeria. There had been a civil war there in the 90's between the military and Fundamentalist insurgents. The FIS (Fundamentalist party) had been banned due to its links with the GIA (Fundamentalist Armed Group) which were fighting against the military in power. The funny story is that Algeria used to be in Russian influence after its Independance and now it's back in French influence. France had always known fundamentalists would be a threat for us and we didn't make the mistake to fund them against Moscow like did the US in Afghanistan.

However, Algeria has a really small seat in the OPEC. Their oil reserves are tiny... so don't count on Algeria to change things. If you get Iraq and Saudi Arabia, you've almost already a majority of the council.

Now, another OPEC members used to have "very good relations" with France : It was Gabon. Gabon is a small country of 750,000 people in Equatorial Africa. There's a lot of oil in that region. Omar Bongo is the leader of that country since the independance in 1960. However, he's getting old and Washington succeeded to have "better relations" than France with his son Bongo Jr. Today, we can say that Gabon is controlled by the US.

I think it will be great for the European economy if we could have as a world currency similair to the dollar. And if there was ever a time in history achieved it would be now given the political situation in the world.

Do you think one of the reasons for France and Germany not to back the war because of Saddam used the Euro, and was giving an example to the rest of the oil producing nations?
There's no doubt it had been taken into account. However, it was not enough to make their decisions only on that point. France has a strong experience in the Arab Affairs. We've colonized half of the Arab World and we've kept strong influences even in countries which were ruled by the Brits like Egypt. As such, we perfectly knew what would be the consequences of an US military occupation in Iraq and that has helped us to get a "better reason" to be opposed to the war.

French position was clearly very risky. Americans consider French as cowards, but taking the lead of a front against Washington needs to be sure of ourselves if we hope it to be successful. If Chirac decided to do such a step, it's clearly because everything was in our side in doing so. Schröder has been very angry at Chirac because of it... but one year later, Chirac has been proven right (for once in his life).

To get back to the topic, oil being paid in euros will never happen. The United States aren't the only one against it... Britain and Japan are also against it. You should analyze a map of pro- and anti-war countries through that spectrum, you'll realize how much it's interesting.

The only exception is about European countries. Most of EU countries which supported Washington did it mainly against France and Germany. Spain, the Netherlands, Italy, etc... those countries don't want France and Germany to dominate Europe too much, that's why they've mostly taken their decision to back Washington against France and Germany than because they've been convinced by Bush.

That's by the way isn't totally wrong. Both Germany and France want to keep the EU leadership... I don't think it's a wise decision... and if I say so, it's because the European Union would be more powerful if Germany and especially France weren't talking that loud. We need a better balance in the EU. That's why I understand all those countries.
 
Originally posted by Marla_Singer

To get back to the topic, oil being paid in euros will never happen. The United States aren't the only one against it... Britain and Japan are also against it. You should analyze a map of pro- and anti-war countries through that spectrum, you'll realize how much it's interesting.

The only exception is about European countries. Most of EU countries which supported Washington did it mainly against France and Germany. Spain, the Netherlands, Italy, etc... those countries don't want France and Germany to dominate Europe too much, that's why they've mostly taken their decision to back Washington against France and Germany than because they've been convinced by Bush.

That's by the way isn't totally wrong. Both Germany and France want to keep the EU leadership... I don't think it's a wise decision... and if I say so, it's because the European Union would be more powerful if Germany and especially France weren't talking that loud. We need a better balance in the EU. That's why I understand all those countries.

Don't you think Brittain will eventually join the Euro currency, I don't think they will do soon but eventually they will. Give them 10 or 15 years and they will be in, just like the scandinavian countries.

Then most important oil company's will be based in Europe. And Europe will be a more important economic power block than the US and thus has more influence to change things, esspecially with the economy and oil comsumption rising in the former eastern European nations Europe will be a more important oil consumer than the US.

Now given the pressure on Arab governements to oppose the US as much as they can by the general public, they could consider changing to the Euro. It will be a popularity boost in the eyes of many Arabs and maybe they can even make more profit by doing so. It will certainly be a huge adn constructive boost for the Euro zone that's for sure. If Brittain hasn't joined by then you bet they will.

The only problem is Europe's militairy streght which is not sufficient to provide security for oil providing dictators like the US is doing. The Saudi royal family will not change to the Euro as long as Europe can't give them security and I acctually don't think Europe will ever be willing or able to do that. We don't do real politics like the US.

It's interesting to think what the position of China will be in this situation. They will be the biggest oil consumer in the world in a decade or so, and they are more enclined to Europe than to America at the moment. Also because of the Taiwan situation. Maybe if China will support us in getting the Euro accepted by OPEC it will be a possibility.

But that could take 20 years and the oil will be almost gone by then :)

I never really realised the impact on of the dollar in world politics and the Iraq war. It shines a whole other light on the story, strange you don't hear much about it in the media.
 
I don't buy this theory at all.

The reality is quite different then the one portrayed in the article.
The reality is that the FED is encouraging a devaluation of the dollar. Why? Because the US has a huge and increasing trade deficit, and a strong dollar makes their products become expensive and imported products become cheap, what makes the trade deficit even worse. Now the dollar is weaker then the Euro, and thus the american products have a significant advantage in relation to the european products. The European Central Bank knows this and they want badly to see the Euro below the Dollar again. While the european products are increasingly expansive in the world markets, a strong Euro made imported goods cheap in Europe, agravating the trade crisis in the Euro zone.

Japan is also keeping the Yen low to make sure that they have a trade surplus. China is even beign accused of using illegal methods to keep the Yuan down and the Dollar up. In the current economic scenario everyone is trying to devaluate their currencies(not to much though, because it would imake existing foreign debts more expansive).
 
Originally posted by MrPresident
Iraq was invaded because we thought they had NBCs. We were wrong. Our bad.

Nobody actually believed that crap, except the American and some of the British population.
 
These are good points that I think the majority of America is uninformed about.

However, it is a two edged sword.

The vociferous European opposition to the war, mainly from France, is born, not out of some sense of 'justice' but out of the same self interest that drives the neo-cons in America.

As scary as the Bush America is, the prospect of a renewed European hegemony has many, many undesirables.

Why should ONE country or ONE group of countries derive any kind of economic benefit just by the fact that oil is traded in their currency, be it America, Europe, or Kwazichistanalad?

We need one monetary system for everyone on earth, its the only fair and equitable way for all people. And admittedly, I don't know enough about the economic workings of the planet to determine how this would be implemented or the feasibility, but it seems the only just thing to me.
 
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