Executive action

Timsup2nothin said:
You can say all you want that you paid all the taxes but didn't pay the penalty for the ACA, but if the IRS says "no, you paid that ACA penalty, it is a corresponding amount of your taxes that we are here to collect", how would you argue the point? If they say "your payment was prorated over all parts of your total, so you paid 95% of your taxes and you paid 95% of your ACA penalty, and we are here for the remaining 5% of both," how would you argue that they can't garnish your wages when most of what you owe is in fact taxes?...
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Oh!
I'd be defeated if the IRS did that. :blush:

Such tactics would be kicking the ACA law in the nuts though.
 
Kaitzilla said:
Oh!
I'd be defeated if the IRS did that. :blush:
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Defeated. Routed. Crushed. Trodden under heel. Obliterated. Destroyed.

All outcomes the IRS has demonstrably enjoyed in the past.

Kaitzilla said:
Such tactics would be kicking the ACA law in the nuts though.
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The IRS has left many other laws singing soprano. One more would be no surprise.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
So lets get this thread back on the topic of executive orders and how president Obama is a totalitarian emperor dictator because he's issued the least amount of executive order per year since Grover Cleveland (the first, 1885–1889)

Or as this socialist rag calls it: When It Comes To Abuse Of Presidential Power, Obama Is A Mere Piker (figures on the site are outdated, there have been a sub-par amount in the last few years. The slacker.)

So explain to this befuddled Dutchy who is ignorant in the ways of American Politicks how this image of Obama is based on something else than partisan emitted arsegravy. Explain using arguments based in reality and backed up by statistics instead of youtube clips...
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Do I have to go down the list?

1) Obama's DOJ has only sent 1 banker to jail, thus ensuring the next financial apocalypse.
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/...doj-says-prosecute-rocket-science-frauds.html

2) Delaying the Employer Mandate years past when the law said it should go into effect.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/18/p...tution-again-and-finally-theres-some-outrage/

3) Setting 5 million out of 11 million illegal immigrants beyond deportation laws without an act of Congress in recent years to point towards as justification.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/us/obama-immigration-speech.html?_r=0
The prime-time speech reflected Mr. Obama’s years of frustration with congressional gridlock and his desire to frame the last years of his presidency with far-reaching executive actions. His directive will shield up to five million people from deportation and allow many to work legally, although it offers no path to citizenship.

“The actions I’m taking are not only lawful, they’re the kinds of actions taken by every single Republican president and every Democratic president for the past half-century,” Mr. Obama said. “To those members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill.”
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:mad:

I would only relent on #3 if in future years the Supreme Court ruled that Obama's executive order was ok.
But for that to happen, I think someone would have to be injured by it and sue first. :hmm:

If you wish to read more about Emperor Obama:
 
Well, he is the first black man to have two consecutive terms, but not the first politician to lie.
 
Kaitzilla said:
Do I have to go down the list?

1) Obama's DOJ has only sent 1 banker to jail, thus ensuring the next financial apocalypse.
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/...doj-says-prosecute-rocket-science-frauds.html

2) Delaying the Employer Mandate years past when the law said it should go into effect.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/18/p...tution-again-and-finally-theres-some-outrage/

3) Setting 5 million out of 11 million illegal immigrants beyond deportation laws without an act of Congress in recent years to point towards as justification.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/us/obama-immigration-speech.html?_r=0


:mad:

I would only relent on #3 if in future years the Supreme Court ruled that Obama's executive order was ok.
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And all explains why he's a totalitarian emperor dictator?

So hang on. You want to prove he abuses his powers more than any of his predecessors, so you name a couple of occasions? That lacks the comparative value my friend. I did mention statistics, and I count 3 as a statistics. Not much of a statistic.

I was clear when I said "image of Obama" wasn't I? It's the imagine I described just before that.

"So lets get this thread back on the topic of executive orders and how president Obama is a totalitarian emperor dictator because he's issued the least amount of executive order per year since Grover Cleveland".

And you go: here's 3 things.

Dutchy is more befuddled now.
 
There is more to it than mere numbers of executive orders.

Their size. Their scope. His attitudes towards various things.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/o...that-the-making-of-an-imperial-president.html

The Making of an Imperial President

NOV. 22, 2014


Ross Douthat

LET me be clear, as he likes to say: I believe that President Obama was entirely sincere when he ran for president as a fierce critic of the imperial executive. I believe that he was in earnest when he told supporters in 2008 that America’s “biggest problems” involved “George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all.” I believe he meant it when he cast himself as a principled civil libertarian, when he pledged to defer to Congress on war powers, when he promised to abjure privileges Bush had claimed.

I also believe he was sincere when he told audiences, again and again across his presidency, that a sweeping unilateral move like the one just made on immigration would betray the norms of constitutional government.

So how did we get from there to here? How did the man who was supposed to tame the imperial presidency become, in certain ways, more imperial than his predecessor?

The scope of Obama’s moves can be debated, but that basic imperial reality is clear. Even as he has maintained much of the Bush-era national security architecture, this president has been more willing to launch military operations without congressional approval; more willing to trade in assassination and deal death even to American citizens; and more aggressive in his war on leakers, whistle-blowers and journalists.

At the same time, he has been much more aggressive than Bush in his use of executive power to pursue major domestic policy goals — on education, climate change, health care and now most sweepingly on immigration...
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Nothing I can say will probably convince you that Obama is overstepping his powers as President until the Supreme Court starts ruling actions unconstitutional.
I'm sure it will happen sooner or later.
 
Kaitzilla said:
There is more to it than mere numbers of executive orders.

Their size. Their scope. His attitudes towards various things.
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You left out 'the fact that Kaitzilla disagrees with the orders'. At a guess that is what is making the most difference.
 
Cant the Emperor order Republicans to stop shutting down the government and blocking him ?
I dont understand why people are so angry its not like previous Republican Presidents have done the exact same things, like delaying healthcare laws, amnesty and order military action.
 
FriendlyFire said:
Cant the Emperor order Republicans to stop shutting down the government and blocking him ?
I dont understand why people are so angry its not like previous Republican Presidents have done the exact same things, like delaying healthcare laws, amnesty and order military action.
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You have it exactly right.

J
 
Angst said:
I think it sounds exotic enough to make him sound like some kind of a medieval superlord.
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Technically, it should be Emperor Barack. Unless he's the Emperor from *Star Wars*. And we all know Obama isn't anywhere near as awesome as Ian McDiarmid.

If I were Obama, I'd choose to be called Sultan Barack. It sounds even more exotic, and the Sultan part would remind everyone that I was a Muslim.
 
James Stuart said:
Technically, it should be Emperor Barack. Unless he's the Emperor from *Star Wars*. And we all know Obama isn't anywhere near as awesome as Ian McDiarmid.

If I were Obama, I'd choose to be called Sultan Barack. It sounds even more exotic, and the Sultan part would remind everyone that I was a Muslim.
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Then what would be left for Fox News to talk about?
 
James Stuart said:
Technically, it should be Emperor Barack. Unless he's the Emperor from *Star Wars*. And we all know Obama isn't anywhere near as awesome as Ian McDiarmid.

If I were Obama, I'd choose to be called Sultan Barack. It sounds even more exotic, and the Sultan part would remind everyone that I was a Muslim.
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Best if he's named Sultan Barrack, as a man who will draft all the males in order to accomplish Manifest Destiny 2.0.

While the reference will pass by for most people, RTS fans and gamers alike will be delighted.
 
Rush Limbaugh lives in his own universe, and thus he can share with us the inexhaustible content it contains.

Now if only it didn't exist at the back of his skull.
 
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