Expanded Great People Names Redux

Tomorrow's Dawn · Aug 31, 2013

citis said:
You should include at least one of these: Kallino, Alkman, Archilochos, Psappho
Also you should include at least one of these: Aischylos, Sophocles, Euripides
And you should include absolutely Pheidias, he was the greatest sculptor.

Too many sculptors (5???), ancient greeks were more interested in drama and poetry than statues. (Remember the UHC: discover Literature and Drama). Scalptors are in the aestetics technology. This list needs at least one drama writer and one poet. You included the founders but that's not enough.

Pheidias will be included in the Great Engineers category.

I have chosen a number of sculptors because they've made very important contributions to the understanding of the human form, especially pertaining
to contrapposto. I'll think about including one more playwright.

About Great Generals, I am not going to include Leonidas.
As impressive as Thermopylae was, it doesn't matter much if the battle was lost
(not to mention the only battle that Leonidas was notable in)
and Leonidas perished. I will include Xenophon in his place.

Wondering Kid · Aug 31, 2013

Just wondering, will you do the Incas? And if you do, which names would you be after? Exclusively Incan ones? Peruvian/Chilean/Bolivian ones, as to have them for the 1700AD version? Or just both alternatives?

citis · Aug 31, 2013

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
Pheidias will be included in the Great Engineers category.

About Great Generals, I am not going to include Leonidas.
As impressive as Thermopylae was, it doesn't matter much if the battle was lost
(not to mention the only battle that Leonidas was notable in)
and Leonidas perished. I will include Xenophon in his place.

Happy to hear those!

Leonidas was a great general but ok you are right he wasn't victorious.

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
Including one more playwright

There were four different poetry trends in ancient greece, so one poet should be included in the list. I prospose Psappho who was poet in many trends. The three playwrights are equally important, but since we haven't enough space I propose Euripides. He is the last one, and includes the contributions of the previous ones.

Tomorrow's Dawn · Aug 31, 2013

Wondering Kid said:
Just wondering, will you do the Incas? And if you do, which names would you be after? Exclusively Incan ones? Peruvian/Chilean/Bolivian ones, as to have them for the 1700AD version? Or just both alternatives?

My specific specialties are anything related to East Asia (China, Corea, Japan & various others; Vietnam & Mongolia), both the Italian & Northern Renaissance, United States history & Great Artists in general.

If I do Incas, I will have to request pre-contact Inca GPs, and per my requirement, there must be at least 6 in each category sans Great Artists, as I will compile those personally.
Remember that this is a collaborative effort and if you feel like you are up to the task, feel free to contribute.

citis said:
There were four different poetry trends in ancient greece, so one poet should be included in the list. I prospose Psappho who was poet in many trends. The three playwrights are equally important, but since we haven't enough space I propose Euripides. He is the last one, and includes the contributions of the previous ones.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Between Euripides, Aishkulos & Sophokles, it's a very hard decision.
I personally lean more towards Sophokles myself.
But I feel it is best if we leave this to a public vote.
Out of the three ancient playwrights, who deserves representation as a Great Artist?

citis · Aug 31, 2013

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
Between Euripides, Aishkulos & Sophokles, it's a very hard decision.
I personally lean more towards Sophokles myself.
But I feel it is best if we leave this to a public vote.
Out of the three ancient playwrights, who deserves representation as a Great Artist?

I thnik we just found the next DoC Factions Wars round's theme... :goodjob:

citis · Aug 31, 2013

Royal Tenenbaum, do you agree?

BenZL43 · Aug 31, 2013

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
I've contacted iOnlySignIn personally and have received permission to continue working on it as well;
if anyone wishes for verification, I will contact iOnlySignIn to verify with you (and cross-verify with Leoreth if need be).

How do you contact him? Do you know him IRL outside DoC? Does he say something about the EDCN project? Will he come back one day? :mischief:

Tomorrow's Dawn · Sep 1, 2013

BenZL43 said:
How do you contact him? Do you know him IRL outside DoC? Does he say something about the EDCN project? Will he come back one day?

I don't know him IRL. I contacted him via e-mail, although I won't give you his contact unless he desires so.
Regarding the EDCN project, he gave me permission to continue on it, but it's not as much my cup of tea as this.
It's best if Hippo continues to spearhead the project. About whether he will return or not, I'm not in any position to answer that as I don't know.

Anyways, the list has been updated, with a full house of Greeks:

Changelog:

Spoiler :

Up next is England. Roll out those suggestions, everyone.
I'll need the most help when it comes to Scientists & Engineers.
Also, I'd like for someone to download the file and playtest with any one of the completed civs (China, Greece, Japan, France, America) if you could be so kind.

citis · Sep 1, 2013

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
<Type>UNIT_GREEK_PROPHET</Type>
<UniqueNames>
<UniqueName>Epikouros</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Zenonas</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Socrates</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Plato</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Aristoteles</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Parmenides</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Pyrrho</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Zeno of Elea</UniqueName>

Epikouros should go in the end of the list, Parmenides is before Zenonas, and Zenonas is the greek name of Zeno of Elea. I added Xenophanes since I removed the duplicate of Zeno. Fixed the mispelling of Sokrates (it's my fault). Plato was called Platonas

<Type>UNIT_GREEK_PROPHET</Type>
<UniqueNames>
<UniqueName>Xenophanes</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Parmenides</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Zenonas</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Sokrates</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Platonas</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Aristoteles</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Pyrrho</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Hepikouros</UniqueName>

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
<Type>UNIT_GREEK_MERCHANT</Type>
<UniqueNames>
<UniqueName>Solon</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Kroisos</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Herodotos</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Pytheas</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Pausanias</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Megasthenes</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Pheidon</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Posidonius</UniqueName>

Good job to find these guys. :goodjob:

Megasthenes was between Pytheas and Pausanias. Who is Pheidon?

<Type>UNIT_GREEK_MERCHANT</Type>
<UniqueNames>
<UniqueName>Solon</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Kroisos</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Herodotos</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Pytheas</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Megasthenes</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Pausanias</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Posidonios</UniqueName>

Just fixed some mispellings. Pheidias is at the same period with Iktinos. Theodoros was pefore Hippodamos.

<Type>UNIT_GREEK_ENGINEER</Type>
<UniqueNames>
<UniqueName>Chersiphron</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Theodoros</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Hippodamos</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Pheidias</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Iktinos</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Archimedes</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Chares</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Sostrates</UniqueName>

Removed Pyrrhos (rather unsuccesful commander) and added Alexandros.

<Type>UNIT_GREEK_GREAT_GENERAL</Type>
<UniqueNames>
<UniqueName>Miltiades</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Themistokles</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Xenophon</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Epaminondas</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Lysandros</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Alexandros</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Seleukos</UniqueName>
<UniqueName>Ptolemaios</UniqueName>
[/SPOILER]

Very good job! Congratulations! :goodjob:

Tomorrow's Dawn · Sep 1, 2013

Thank you for all your corrections.

Pheidon: http://www.archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabri21chisrich#page/362/mode/2up
was said to have established a system of weights and measures, as well as developing a standardized silver coinage.

I want to point out that Pyrrhos, while he had the unpleasant distinction of having the Pyrrhic Victory named after him, had a relatively successful military career,
winning battles against the Romans, the Carthaginians & the Macedonians.
The important distinction was that Pyrrhos was not a good statesman, and lacked a silver tongue.
But you make a good point and I will amend the decision, along with all the fixes in the morning.

citis, can I ask you to playtest with any of the other 4 finished civs?
(China, Japan, France & America)
Try to generate a couple of GPs and report back with screenshots if you are willing.

Leoreth · Sep 1, 2013

Alexandros is Alexander the Great?

baseballpie · Sep 1, 2013

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
America:
Charles Goodyear (Great Engineer) has been replaced by Sid Meier.

Yay

citis · Sep 1, 2013

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
Pheidon: http://www.archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabri21chisrich#page/362/mode/2up
was said to have established a system of weights and measures, as well as developing a standardized silver coinage.

Oh my god, you should write a wikipedia article about that! I always believed that this game is educational and I'm happy that is proved once again.

Tomorrow's Dawn said:
citis, can I ask you to playtest with any of the other 4 finished civs?
(China, Japan, France & America)
Try to generate a couple of GPs and report back with screenshots if you are willing.

I'' try chinese. They usually produce a lot of great people... I believe I can have it ready in the following three days.

Leoreth said:
Alexandros is Alexander the Great?

Yes.

Leoreth · Sep 1, 2013

In general a historical person cannot be a LH and a GP at the same time. At least that's the rule I've been using and iirc IOSI did the same.

Why did you remove Goodyear by the way? The vulcanization process had an immense impact on modern life and industrialization.

mrrandomplayer · Sep 1, 2013

Leoreth said:
In general a historical person cannot be a LH and a GP at the same time. At least that's the rule I've been using and iirc IOSI did the same.

Why did you remove Goodyear by the way? The vulcanization process had an immense impact on modern life and industrialization.

Because Sid Meier has done so much more!!!!!!
:joke:

Maybe Sid Meier should be a Great Merchant instead of a Great Engineer for USA.

Leoreth · Sep 1, 2013

If anything, I would count him as an entertainer and therefore artist.

merijn_v1 · Sep 1, 2013

mrrandomplayer said:
Because Sid Meier has done so much more!!!!!!

Maybe Sid Meier should be a Great Merchant instead of a Great Engineer for USA.

You do know he is actually Canadian?

Leoreth · Sep 1, 2013

Nobody remembers when people are actually Canadian. Except for Celine Dion. We will never let them live that down.

citis · Sep 1, 2013

Liu Hui the founder of Chinese mathematics. He was bitten by Comfucius in this game.
Zu Chonqzhi the founder of chinese calendar. Of course his work was already done by a religious movement called taoism. However, both built academies in Chang'an to contribute to its research and maybe some infrastructure.

mrrandomplayer · Sep 1, 2013

Leoreth said:
Nobody remembers when people are actually Canadian. Except for Celine Dion. We will never let them live that down.

And Justin Beiber and Carly Rae Jensen. They've both made significant negative contributions in society. Being a classical music geek, I find their music to be complete %#%$.

But I didn't know that Sid Meier was Canadian. That's pretty neat.

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