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Expanded Great People Names (EGPNs)

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall - Dawn of Civilization' started by iOnlySignIn, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. Tomorrow's Dawn

    Tomorrow's Dawn Heroes Never Die

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    I answered this before, but I guess this got lost in the scuffle:

    There are quite a few kids here (California) of Vietnamese or Mexican descent who are born in their respective countries but are raised here in America at a young age.
    They rapidly absorb the dominant/local culture and become just as American as anyone else.
    In the future, when some of these individuals make great achievements, no one is going to look at them (except maybe extremist nativists) and claim they aren't American.
    That's the point I'm trying to get across with Koxinga and Go Seigen respectively.
    Koxinga may have been born in Japan, but he spent more of his childhood and adolescence in Ming, and more importantly, became invested in the fate of the state and the aftermath that followed.
    The reverse would be the life of Go Seigen (Wu Qingyuan), like I mentioned.

    And like you said before when speaking of Tang Taizong (in reference to his wife and mother). Blood doesn't matter. It's where the loyalties lie.
    Unless that was solely in reference to the positive ecumenical attributes of Chinese civilization.

    Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to consider a number of American (what constitutes for "American" blood is also a whole different can of worms) and French GPs.
     
  2. iOnlySignIn

    iOnlySignIn Prince$s

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    Only one can be chosen out of Li Shiji and Li Jing, since they are contemporaries of near equal fame and prowess. I'd favor Li Jing since he's influenced a number of younger generals like Hou Junji. In this, Li Jing is like John J. Pershing.

    I still think it's not appropriate to add Koxinga since he's more of a freelance pirate who works for himself rather than a great general of China.
     
  3. Pavel Chichikov

    Pavel Chichikov Chieftain

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    Another thing. Anyone doing Roman/Greek/Byzantine/Arab lists might want to check the origins/1st-language of many of them, otherwise there isn't enough listings for Phoenicia, Persia or Babylon; the most accomplished of them are all appropriated by others.
     
  4. soul-breathing

    soul-breathing Chieftain

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    How about add Sherlock Holmes and Hercule Poirot as Great Spy? This could ignore the nationality.
     
  5. strijder20

    strijder20 Wallowing in irony

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    IOSI has left the community, so I think this project is dead (sadly enough).

    The information gathered here by other players could still be used, I guess.
     
  6. soul-breathing

    soul-breathing Chieftain

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    edited.
     
  7. citis

    citis Chieftain

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    Mughals borrow their Persian counterparts. However this quite weird because artaxerxes is born in a muslim Delhi in about 1300AD. Maybe we should make a mughal list. I'm making the start by proposing these names for the mughals:

    Great generals:
    Babur (the founder) (reign:1526-1530)
    Humayun (second Mughal emperor, continued the campaignes fighting by himself 1508-1556)

    Great prophets
    Guru Nanak (founder of Sikhism, 15 April 1469 – 22 September 1539)
    Akbar (greatest Mughal leader, founder of Din-e Ilahi) (reigned 1556-1605)
    Guru Arjan (1605, writer of sikh holy scripts, sponsor of Harmandir Sahib)

    Great engineers:
    Ustad Ahmad Lahauri (Architect of Red Fort and Taj Mahal, built in 1632-1648)

    Great merchants:

    Great artists:
    (from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_art)
    Basawan, Lal, Miskin, Kesu Das, and Daswanth
    Mushfiq, Kamal, and Fazl
    Bhawanidas and his son Dalchand

    Great scientists:
    Fathullah Shirazi (chief scientist (minister, inventor, aritist, engineer, mathematician, philosopher and maney others) of Akbar the great, ~1582)
    Muhammad Salih Tahtawi (metallurger, geometer, craftsman, it can be also an engineer 1669)
     
  8. NorwegianSalmon

    NorwegianSalmon Chieftain

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    Nice work citis, but be aware that this project is currently dead since iOnlySignIn left, unless someone decides to pick it up again.
     
  9. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    Are you kidding? This is a gold mine.
     
  10. Tomorrow's Dawn

    Tomorrow's Dawn Heroes Never Die

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    I'd be willing to do this, similarly to what Hippo did for the EDCNs.

    But I'll need the votes and this has significantly less interest.

    I also put in quite a lot of work for the French, English & Japanese GAs so I'd hate to see it go to waste.
     
  11. mrrandomplayer

    mrrandomplayer Potentially back

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    I like the new GP names. I vote yes. I might be able to contribute an Italy name or two...
     
  12. Dumanios

    Dumanios MLG

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    Some names for Britain.

    Prophets

    Thomas Beckett
    John Wyclif
    Thomas Moore

    Artists

    Geoffrey Chaucer
    William Shakespeare
    John Milton
    Arthur Conan Doyle
    Bram Stoker
    Ian Fleming
    Paul McCartney
    Christopher Lee

    Scientists

    Isaac Newton
    Michael Faraday
    Charles Darwin
    Francis Bacon
    Ernest Rutherford

    Merchants

    Francis Drake
    Henry Hudson
    Cecil Rhodes

    Engineers

    Christopher Wren
    Charles Babbage
    Alan Turing

    Generals

    William the Conqueror
    Richard Lionheart
    Edward Longshanks
    Oliver Cromwell
    Henry VIII
    Arthur Wellesley
    Horatio Nelson
    Douglas Haig
    Bernard Montgomery

    Spies

    Francis Bacon
    Guy Fawkes
     
  13. Tomorrow's Dawn

    Tomorrow's Dawn Heroes Never Die

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    Is that a no, or yes, to me hosting the new thread?

    Also, dang it, I always confuse you for Bair now with that avatar.
     
  14. Dumanios

    Dumanios MLG

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    It's a yes, though we could use more names for everything but Artists and Generals.

    We could use Platyping's Civspecific names thing, though I'm not sure if it's compatible with DoC (or if it's already in).

    And yes! My evil plan is working! MWAHAHAHAHA!
     
  15. ales_

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    I vote yes.
     
  16. Jusos2108

    Jusos2108 Chieftain

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    By all means, I can post more info about the spies.
     
  17. BenZL43

    BenZL43 Physician - still can't spell this correctly.

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    off course yes.
     
  18. Hippo8085

    Hippo8085 Shaken, not stirred

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    Only one option: yes
     
  19. Bair_the_Normal

    Bair_the_Normal 全は禪

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    The Touhous aren't my fault. :(
     
  20. Manco Capac

    Manco Capac Friday,13 June,I Collapse

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    Man! Getting famous Mesopotamian people names is hard as hell. My researches netted 1 hour and see all I got:

    GScientist: Nabu-Rimanni.

    I think for people without much records of famous people, we should simply call according to the region. Like a babylonian GPeople is called "Semitic Great [insert type]".
     

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