Fascists Riot in Virginia

[Hrothbern]

Some foul language inc, as protesters tear down a statue while feeling like they've toppled a dictator:

Spoiler :

"No cops, no KKK, no fascist USA."

2016 election Durham county: 78.9% votes for Clinton
A normal democratic vote would have done the job as well.
But no.... let's express our anger
That it undermines democracy apparently not important enough

 

[Zkribbler]

I'm not sure how chanting "No cops, no KKK, no fascist USA." undermines democracy.

It's not like they're allowing early voting in Republican counties while denying it in Democratic counties.

 

[Hrothbern]

I'm not sure how chanting "No cops, no KKK, no fascist USA." undermines democracy.

It's not like they're allowing early voting in Republican counties while denying it in Democratic counties.

The objective of these people was to get rid of the statue that symbolises what they are against.
With 80% Dem vote in 2016, I assume that they could have easily achieved that goal by the normal democratic process
But instead they choose to took that right in their own hands
Which only serves as an argument for other groups to take the right in their own hands as well, also when they are a minority vote.
A democracy that allows disputes to be settled by mobs on the street blows herself up.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

I wanna build a statue

I just can't decide who it should be.

I'm considering Santa Anna. He was the best known enemy general during the Mexican American war.

But then there's Hideki Tojo. Japanese general during world war two.

Or cut to the chase, maybe it's time for a statue of Hitler.

I mean, statues honoring defeated enemy generals and leaders are a part of our heritage that we should be honoring, right?

So c'mon you alt-right warriors, help me decide which would be most appropriate? Or, maybe all three, add in Lee, or Jefferson Davis, and do like a Mount Rushmore thing?

How about Mike Tyson? An ex-raper, bully and drug driver. Though better known as one of the greatest boxers. An excellent candidate: he's black, he's Muslim, he's ga... oh wait... he's pro-Trump and he has shown to be a homophobe, so doesn't deserve a statue after all! Yet another alt-right scum!

 

[Zkribbler]

2016 election Durham county: 78.9% votes for Clinton
A normal democratic vote would have done the job as well.
But no.... let's express our anger
That it undermines democracy apparently not important enough

There was a vote to remove the statue. That's what triggered the alt right protest.

 

[Hrothbern]

There was a vote to remove the statue. That's what triggered the alt right protest.

ahhh
do we talk the same county ?

The riots of the thread are about Charlottesville, where there had been a vote

The post and vid I reacted upon was a protest in Durham to show solidarity with Charlottesville
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/confederate-statue-pulled-down-north-carolina-trnd/index.html

 

[Kyriakos]

Tbh, if the people who want the statue to remain are mostly (?) the KKK...well...that is not looking good for the statue's significance by now.

Perhaps some kind of logical stance would be to remove the statue yet have serious officials make statements about the difference between being a racist, and fighting for one's land/country. I mean the latter is the positive in the CSA soldiers/generals, while the former is just garbage.

 

[Zkribbler]

ahhh
do we talk the same county ?

You're right; I'm wrong. Yours is a different demonstration. .

 

[Hrothbern]

You're right; I'm wrong. Yours is a different demonstration. .

well... there seem to be many of these statues
I saw also an article a couple of days ago of a mayor that IIRC already had the vote to remove the statue, but put the follow up procedure on the fast track.
Sounded like a prudent mayor to me.

 

[Arwon]

Wow did those people pull that racist statue down with bare hands or was there mechanical action? That's a pretty impressive effort in any case!

Might have been one of the shoddy ones mass produced to reinforce visible white supremacy during segregation.

 

[Arwon]

The objective of these people was to get rid of the statue that symbolises what they are against.
With 80% Dem vote in 2016, I assume that they could have easily achieved that goal by the normal democratic process
But instead they choose to took that right in their own hands
Which only serves as an argument for other groups to take the right in their own hands as well, also when they are a minority vote.
A democracy that allows disputes to be settled by mobs on the street blows herself up.

Apparently there's a state law making that difficult. I think it's notable that the cops said it's county land so not their issue and the county government reaction was kind of a shrug.

I think what happened here is a victory by the people of this city over the petty legalism imposed by the NC government. I'm sure that won't happen in many diehard parts of the white South but good on these people for removing a hated symbol of white supremacy from their midst where they could.

But even if the commissioners had wanted to remove the statue, their hands would have been tied. In 2015, the North Carolina General Assembly passed a preemption law that barred the permanent removal of historical monuments located on public property, except with prior state permission. Early Tuesday morning, the commission released a statement on the protest that read like a tacit endorsement of the toppling: It didn’t mention the statue or condemn the protesters.

 

[Hrothbern]

Apparently there's a state law making that difficult. I think it's notable that the cops said it's county land so not their issue and the county government reaction was kind of a shrug.

I think what happened here is a victory by the people of this city over the petty legalism imposed by the NC government. I'm sure that won't happen in many diehard parts of the white South but good on these people for removing a hated symbol of white supremacy from their midst where they could.

Good info

Makes the action much more understandable

But I stick to my position of not doing such things when there is a valid democratic way to do it.
And the Dem governor ("there are better ways") and the Dem County ("a shrug") have been sleeping.
To govern is to govern and not neglect that to the point that mobs take over.
Peaceful mobs have much more to lose there as to gain.
A good ludricious action would have made the "wake up" point as well to the governing people.

 

[Arwon]

Isn't NC a state that's hopelessly gerrymandered and has been brazenly and explicitly trying to suppress the black vote? Understandable there's a difficulty fixing things when they're being badly rigged.

 

[Hrothbern]

Isn't NC a state that's hopelessly gerrymandered and has been brazenly and explicitly trying to suppress the black vote? Understandable there's a difficulty fixing things when they're being badly rigged.

You are right, what a disgusting mess.
And according to the Supreme Court unconstitutional
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolina-gerrymandering/527592/

 

[Berzerker]

Mostly I just hold you in contempt.

so you demand white people condemn the terrorist cuz he's white, but muslims dont need to condemn muslim terrorists and anyone asking for that condemnation is an islamaphobe? what does that make you?

maybe you should let me go and hold onto a consistent ideology

 

[Lexicus]

the difference between being a racist, and fighting for one's land/country.

In the case of the CSA, there's literally no difference.

 

[Traitorfish]

Left wingers gonna left wing regardless of the banners they use to throw conservatives off their trial.

Left-wingers are prone to over-state their leftishness, so I don't think the analogy stands. Spend twenty minutes browsing the rights parts of tumblr, and you'll find a dozen "communists" who's imagination doesn't extended beyond universal basic income and veganism, and a dozen overt white supremacists who quaintly present themselves as "traditionalists", as if they were promoting artisanal cheeses rather than genocide.

 

[Berzerker]

the new civil war is being fought within the confederacy

 

[civver_764]

The Alt-Right did nothing wrong.

They showed to have a peaceful assembly, and were shut down by violent leftists and the state of Virginia.

The title of this thread should really be "anti-fascists riot in Virginia", because that is exactly what happened. Violent leftists, who are intolerant of free speech, started rioting in response to the expression of speech.

I followed the whole event on live stream. I've been looking forward to it for months now. It was intended to be a 100% peaceful assembly for several Alt-Right figureheads to give speeches. Nobody wants to cause any terrorism. They came to express their support for the Lee Statue, and were violently shut down.

As far as the woman who died. That is an absolute tragedy and I think anybody who ever went around saying "punch a nazi" is partially responsible.

The amount of anti-White gaslighting I've seen in the media over the last few days is unreal. I'm starting to question everything I've ever been taught.

 

[Traitorfish]

The Alt-Right did nothing wrong.

There was probably a better way for you to structure this assertion.