[RD] Florida School Shooting

[Broken_Erika]

We wish he would run into a school after a gunman without a weapon......

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So, having concluded that having an armed potential hero stationed at each school doesn't really work we are now going with a fat unarmed buffoon.

 

[Zkribbler]

Right-wing psychos to the rescue!

In the wake of the deadly school shooting in Parkland, Florida, a far-right armed militia group called the Oath Keepers is urging its members to station themselves outside of schools to provide protection, HuffPost has learned.

The Oath Keepers, a group of thousands of former and current police officers, first responders and military service people, is “one of the largest radical antigovernment groups in the U.S. today,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Gun nuts lurking around our schools looking for someone to shoot. I feel so much better.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oath-keepers-militia-schools_us_5a943603e4b0699553cae52a

 

[Arwon]

Wouldn't you know it, Trump even told us how he reacts in a crisis.

“I’m not good for medical. In other words, if you cut your finger and there’s blood pouring out, I’m gone,” he told Stern.

The former reality-TV host then shares a story with Stern about the time he thought a man died in front of him during a charity event at his Palm Beach club Mar-a-Lago and, rather than helping the injured man, Trump turned away in disgust at the sight of his blood.

[...]

“I was saying, ‘Get that blood cleaned up! It’s disgusting!’ The next day, I forgot to call [the man] to say he’s OK,” said Trump, adding of the blood, “It’s just not my thing.”

 

[hobbsyoyo]

A Florida Senate committee has advanced a bill to arm teachers and turned down one to ban assault weapons.

 

[Zkribbler]

South Carolina state Rep. Steven Long (R) announced a contest on Monday to give handguns away to educators.

In an effort to support state legislation that calls for arming teachers, Long said he was hosting a raffle for teachers to win firearms and obtain their concealed weapons permits. He also launched a fundraiser for individuals to donate money to pay for the purchase of three Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9 mm handguns.

I wonder if the winners will have to undergo background checks and/or weapons training?

 

[Commodore]

So, having concluded that having an armed potential hero stationed at each school doesn't really work we are now going with a fat unarmed buffoon.

This whole thing highlights the need for security robots like the ones we see in CHAPPiE or Elysium.

EDIT: Also extremely disappointing to see Trump trying to blame "violent video games" for this. I thought we put the myth that video games make someone violent behind us long ago. You know, when all those studies came out that showed no link between violent behavior in real life and violent video games?

Trump just sounds like some crotchety old man now ranting about "these darn kids" and their silly "vidya games" that are rotting their brains.

 

[Bugfatty300]

A Florida Senate committee has advanced a bill to arm teachers and turned down one to ban assault weapons.

The usual dumb ineffective symbolic legislation versus slightly original dumb ineffective legislation. The only good idea so far is a boycott against the NRA which is ironically what many gun owners have been doing for a while now.

 

[Lexicus]

This is utter insanity
There are no other words

 

[FriendlyFire]

This whole thing highlights the need for security robots like the ones we see in CHAPPiE or Elysium Terminator .

FIXED for America
Probably be cheaper just to have a hot line to Trump, so whenever there is a mass shooting he can rush there unarmed and show us cowards and the FBI how its really done.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

FIXED for America
Probably be cheaper just to have a hot line to Trump, so whenever there is a mass shooting he can rush there unarmed and show us cowards and the FBI how its really done.

Maybe put a missile launcher in the White House designed for a one fat man payload and just launch him at the next incident.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Why not just station soldiers at schools ? Maybe an APC or two. If the US government is spending so much on its military it might as well use it.
It would be like a military parade that never ends, and those are pretty cool, right ?

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: As a reminder, this is still an RD thread, folks.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Forgive what, though? His crime, as far as anyone is able to articulate, is being the ground-level represent of dysfunctional public policy. No choice he as an individual made was going to have any measurable on that dsyfunction.

Nah, his "crime" was standing idly by while children were being slaughtered. The fact that he knew he was there specifically to prevent that from happening just makes it worse. Again, all he really had to do was enter the building. That really would have been enough. The fact that he... and apparently 3 other Sheriff's deputies, were afraid to do so, just underscores how hopelessly stupid and unreliable the "armed guards at schools" strategy is.

I'm actually not so sure that works. Most schools have double doors. You can't really see into them. What if, when he opens the door, the shooter shows up, and shoots him. He can't hold the door open and be ready to shoot. If you think of how SWAT teams storm a building, how would you do that alone? And if he gets in, and goes into a classroom and somebody knifes him in self-defense thinking he's the shooter? I just don't see that situation in reality as clear-cut. Maybe I worry and think too much, but it just seems that is another one of those written down easy, but in practice quite tricky situations.

Most schools do not have double doors where you can't see inside. I'm not sure where you got that idea. But putting that aside, I'm sure he thought about all those things you mentioned and used them all as excuses to just stay outside where it was safe.

 

[Broken_Erika]

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EDIT: Also extremely disappointing to see Trump trying to blame "violent video games" for this. I thought we put the myth that video games make someone violent behind us long ago. You know, when all those studies came out that showed no link between violent behavior in real life and violent video games?

Trump just sounds like some crotchety old man now ranting about "these darn kids" and their silly "vidya games" that are rotting their brains.

How long until they start blaming Marilyn Manson?

 

[Zkribbler]

Nah, his "crime" was standing idly by while children were being slaughtered.

I saw one excuse that rattled out today; I don't know how official it is. The deputy claims he thought the shooter was outside.

Although that would explain why he didn't go inside, it does not explain why the deputy was not looking for the shooter outside. --And since the kids were on the inside why would the deputy think the shooter was on the outside?

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Right-wing psychos to the rescue!



Gun nuts lurking around our schools looking for someone to shoot. I feel so much better.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oath-keepers-militia-schools_us_5a943603e4b0699553cae52a

Lol. Craziest country in the world. But that makes it the most interesting too. It's like a huge social experiment.

 

[Berzerker]

Also extremely disappointing to see Trump trying to blame "violent video games" for this. I thought we put the myth that video games make someone violent behind us long ago. You know, when all those studies came out that showed no link between violent behavior in real life and violent video games?

People with fantasies about shooting up schools like violent video games? No way... WE LANDED ON THE MOON!

I saw one excuse that rattled out today; I don't know how official it is. The deputy claims he thought the shooter was outside.

Although that would explain why he didn't go inside, it does not explain why the deputy was not looking for the shooter outside. --And since the kids were on the inside why would the deputy think the shooter was on the outside?

I read tactics are different, with an outside shooter take cover and locate them. I can understand the echo of shots misleading someone for a few seconds but at some point if you're the cop you should be able to tell if the shots are close or far enough way you can start heading in their direction safely.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Or... you could think "The children! Somebody needs to get in there to prevent that maniac from getting inside to harm them!"

Or... "The children! Somebody needs to get in there to let them know that help is here and to stay inside because of the maniac on the loose!"

But instead they went with the "tactics" of "We need to asses the hell out of this situation... yep, still assessing... assessing... uh oh, system crash... unplug replug, system restart...assessing... assessing..."

Yeah I'm not buying it. He (they) was/were just scared and didn't want to put themselves in harms way. That's all there is to it.

 

[Angst]

There is one nice thing about this whole ideal.

Well, as nice as it can be.

The politization and activism of US high school youth is just outright inspiring.

It's of course maddening that it probably won't have any effect.

Also, if anything, this clip of Rubio talking is on point and kind of funny.

Link to video.

I mean, let's all laugh at the children whose deaths could've been easily preventable, right? Har har har.

(I'm actually not sure whether to find stuff funny or not. I laugh for a bit, and then it hits me that people die, and I feel awful.)