Narz
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I understand... hmm, I don't mind changing the thread title, got any suggestions?Rambuchan said:
Founder of Veganism dies at 95
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Bozo Erectus
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How about "The guy who stole the idea of Veganism from the Indians, renamed it and took all the credit, finally bites the Big One at 95"
Rambuchan
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I admire your restraint Bozo! 
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Its a bit long winded, but I think it says it
Till
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Na, too long. How about "The man who didn't found Veganism starts pushing daisies after a long life of fostering them" ? Not much shorter, though. Oh well.
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"Bogus Vegan founder now just a hunk of meat"
Rambuchan
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Getting better.
nonconformist
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"Vegan Big-Cheese Now Brown-Bread" 
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"Phony who remained aloof from the food chain cheats it even at the point of death - with cremation!"
The Last Conformist
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Veganism as a Western philosophy/subculture has very little to do with Indian vegan diets. There's a such thing as multiple origins of the same idea.
nonconformist
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Way to threadjack.The Last Conformist said:
Keep in mind, a vegan population is a way more sustainable population. For all you people worried about over-population, one of the best ways to reduce our individual ecological footprints would be to move to a meatless (or near meatless) society.
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nonconformist said:
But he still has a point, which is more than you ever bring to CFC OT.
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Rambuchan
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Actually TLC does have a point. It's a good one, but not one I agree with. Look at the roots of vegan culture in the West and you will find a link.
You will have to explain yourself a bit better to prevent me from thinking that you are joinging the comedy camp in this thread.El_Machinae said:
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Unconnected societies can have the same ideas...To deny this truth is a bit insane.
Otherwise, how did distant cultures all hit on the ideas of similar tools, weapons, and religions?
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Otherwise, how did distant cultures all hit on the ideas of similar tools, weapons, and religions?
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Rambuchan
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As usual you approach it in a very general sense. I'm talking about veganism in particular and I don't wish to go on a search on your behalf to make you see this. Just think about when veganism started in the West. I don't just bang on about this stuff for its own sake you know. Only when appropriate.
EDIT: And I remember some time back from a conversation with a vegetarian girl friend that people like Plato and also Plutarch were vegetarians. I wish I could remember their rationale.
EDIT: And I remember some time back from a conversation with a vegetarian girl friend that people like Plato and also Plutarch were vegetarians. I wish I could remember their rationale.
Narz
keeping it real
Well in the amount of land and resources it takes to produce 1 pound of beef you could produce twenty pounds of vegetables, forty pounds of grain or eighty pounds of fruit, something like that (figures not exact). Fruit trees produce oxygen, animal farming creates waste. Besides, you have to end up feeding a ton of food to the cow, chicken, etc. before you kill it anyway (unless it lives in the wild and you hunt it) so it is pretty clear that modern animal farming is grossly (pun intended) inefficient. I've read that if it weren't for government subsidies meat and dairy products would be astronomically expensive.Rambuchan said:
As well, the amount of gasoline and water consumed per pound of beef is quite a bit. This amount of non-renewables could either be conserved or invested better to feeding people.
Decent link:U.S. could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat
One current tragedy in South America is that the land is being converted to soy bean production. Not too bad, except that most of these beans are going to feed cattle. Humans would consume a lot less, if the cows and pigs weren't processing this food so uneconomically.
Finally, here in Alberta, our water is being consumed at a ferocious rate to satisfy our cattle industry. Out water is non-renewable at the rate we're consuming it, and we'll eventually outstrip supply. So please, don't buy our beef.
Decent link:U.S. could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat
One current tragedy in South America is that the land is being converted to soy bean production. Not too bad, except that most of these beans are going to feed cattle. Humans would consume a lot less, if the cows and pigs weren't processing this food so uneconomically.
Finally, here in Alberta, our water is being consumed at a ferocious rate to satisfy our cattle industry. Out water is non-renewable at the rate we're consuming it, and we'll eventually outstrip supply. So please, don't buy our beef.
