General News Regarding China & Hong Kong
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Ferocitus
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I'm not accepting any Quality Assurances from 2K because they own a QA facility in Chengdu!
Looks like LeBron James has sided with the Communists.
https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-under-fire-blaming-china-row-misinformed-rockets-083902730--nba.html
The day Wokeness died in the NBA.
Crickets
A far cry from 2 years ago.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article91066222.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-under-fire-blaming-china-row-misinformed-rockets-083902730--nba.html
The day Wokeness died in the NBA.
A far cry from 2 years ago.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article91066222.html
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Ferocitus
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Ok, I'll try to guess what it means...
You downvoted the CCP with your Made in China mouse?
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Honestly, I am thoroughly enjoying this drama and the memes in generates.
Not QUITE apples to apples, because Kaep wasn't "officially" banned. His situation is still BS though. By QBR he was a low tier starter, complete nonsense that he can't even find a backup position based on numbers/production.
So lying Goodell isn't quite as bad as Blizzard/China. It's a low bar, but fortunately despite his shovel he didn't dig deep enough to get under it. At least not yet.
Yeah directly lying in the heat of the situation is not a good look, and neither is their obvious inconsistent application of their "rules".
#1 problem I've seen with ToS lately is that vague ToS are 1) allowed and then 2) also allowed to be selectively/inconsistently enforced. So different people get different standards/ToS than other people. Blizzard and the NBA have both unambiguously committed this, which means both Blizzard and NBA stadium(s) in question have violated their own ToS.
I wish it were just them, but this is actually a very extensive problem with online ToS in general. Google has been egregious with it as well for example, and on lesser scales so have even game forums (Pdoxplaza is much more infract-happy on negative reviews/posts, and yet sometimes let those with viewpoints favorable to Pdox get away with express/specifically defined rules violations).
Lexicus
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See this is funny. This is like an Always Sunny in Philadelphia plotline with Blizzard playing the role of one or more members of the gang
Not sure what else you expect. This is literally what ToS are for.
Meanwhile in Hong Kong…
'LeBron stands for money': Hong Kong protesters burn James jerseys
NBA star said freedom of speech can carry ‘a lot of negative’
Relationship between NBA and China is under strain
Protestors in Hong Kong have burned LeBron James jerseys after the NBA star said that freedom of speech can lead to “a lot of negative”.
James made his comments after the fallout between the NBA and China over the anti-government protests in Hong Kong. The lucrative relationship between the league and China has been damaged since the Houston Rockets general manager, Daryl Morey, tweeted in support of the protestors earlier this month. Morey subsequently deleted the tweet but China has threatened to cut ties with the NBA, and some Chinese companies have backed out of broadcasts and sponsorship deals.
On Tuesday, a group of around 200 gathered on courts amid Hong Kong’s high-rise buildings, chanting support for Morey and obscene epithets about James. One person threw a ball at a photo of James while others burned and trampled on jerseys bearing his name.
“People are angry,” said James Lo, a web designer who runs a Hong Kong basketball fan page on Facebook. He said he’s already received a video from a protester that showed him burning a No 23 jersey bearing James’ name.
On Monday, James was asked about the strained relationship between the NBA and China. “I don’t want to get into a ... feud with Daryl but I believe he wasn’t educated about the situation at hand and he spoke,” James said. “Just be careful what we tweet ... even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech. But there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too.” James later said he meant Morey wasn’t educated on the repercussions of the tweet rather than the situation in Hong Kong. Law enforcement have used live ammunition on civilians after months of demonstrations in Hong Kong.
Lo said James’s comments had infuriated many in Hong Kong. “Students, they come out like every weekend,” said Lo. “They’ve got tear gassed and then they got gun-shot, like every weekend. Police beating students and then innocent people, like every day. And then he just comes up with something [like] that. We just can’t accept that.”
NBA players weren’t made available before or after recent pre-season games in China, which CCTV didn’t broadcast, and several companies and state-run offices reportedly severed their ties with the NBA over Morey’s tweet and the league’s response to it.
Protesters said James was guilty of double standards, because he has used his influence as a star athlete to promote social causes in the United States. “Please remember, all NBA players, what you said before: ‘Black lives matter.’ Hong Kong lives also matter!” one of the protesters, 36-year-old office worker William Mok, said as he addressed the crowd.
Yahoo Sports estimates that the dispute with China could depress the league’s salary cap – and therefore NBA wages – by up to 15% next season. Some protestors thought James’s comments had more to do with money than politics. “James was trying, you know, to take a side, on the China side, which is like ridiculous,” said Aaron Lee, a 36-year-old marketing director. “He was being honest, financially. Financial is money. Simple as that. LeBron James stands for money. Period.”
One NBA player has appeared to voice support for the protestors in Hong Kong. The Boston Celtics’ Enes Kanter, who is exiled from his native Turkey due to his opposition to the country’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, tweeted a list of issues he has faced due to his political beliefs. They include seeing his father imprisoned and having his passport revoked. At the end of the tweet he wrote “FREEDOM IS NOT FREE”.
NBA star said freedom of speech can carry ‘a lot of negative’
Relationship between NBA and China is under strain
Protestors in Hong Kong have burned LeBron James jerseys after the NBA star said that freedom of speech can lead to “a lot of negative”.
James made his comments after the fallout between the NBA and China over the anti-government protests in Hong Kong. The lucrative relationship between the league and China has been damaged since the Houston Rockets general manager, Daryl Morey, tweeted in support of the protestors earlier this month. Morey subsequently deleted the tweet but China has threatened to cut ties with the NBA, and some Chinese companies have backed out of broadcasts and sponsorship deals.
On Tuesday, a group of around 200 gathered on courts amid Hong Kong’s high-rise buildings, chanting support for Morey and obscene epithets about James. One person threw a ball at a photo of James while others burned and trampled on jerseys bearing his name.
“People are angry,” said James Lo, a web designer who runs a Hong Kong basketball fan page on Facebook. He said he’s already received a video from a protester that showed him burning a No 23 jersey bearing James’ name.
On Monday, James was asked about the strained relationship between the NBA and China. “I don’t want to get into a ... feud with Daryl but I believe he wasn’t educated about the situation at hand and he spoke,” James said. “Just be careful what we tweet ... even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech. But there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too.” James later said he meant Morey wasn’t educated on the repercussions of the tweet rather than the situation in Hong Kong. Law enforcement have used live ammunition on civilians after months of demonstrations in Hong Kong.
Lo said James’s comments had infuriated many in Hong Kong. “Students, they come out like every weekend,” said Lo. “They’ve got tear gassed and then they got gun-shot, like every weekend. Police beating students and then innocent people, like every day. And then he just comes up with something [like] that. We just can’t accept that.”
NBA players weren’t made available before or after recent pre-season games in China, which CCTV didn’t broadcast, and several companies and state-run offices reportedly severed their ties with the NBA over Morey’s tweet and the league’s response to it.
Protesters said James was guilty of double standards, because he has used his influence as a star athlete to promote social causes in the United States. “Please remember, all NBA players, what you said before: ‘Black lives matter.’ Hong Kong lives also matter!” one of the protesters, 36-year-old office worker William Mok, said as he addressed the crowd.
Yahoo Sports estimates that the dispute with China could depress the league’s salary cap – and therefore NBA wages – by up to 15% next season. Some protestors thought James’s comments had more to do with money than politics. “James was trying, you know, to take a side, on the China side, which is like ridiculous,” said Aaron Lee, a 36-year-old marketing director. “He was being honest, financially. Financial is money. Simple as that. LeBron James stands for money. Period.”
One NBA player has appeared to voice support for the protestors in Hong Kong. The Boston Celtics’ Enes Kanter, who is exiled from his native Turkey due to his opposition to the country’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, tweeted a list of issues he has faced due to his political beliefs. They include seeing his father imprisoned and having his passport revoked. At the end of the tweet he wrote “FREEDOM IS NOT FREE”.
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Depends what you mean by "expect".
- If you mean how anticipation is constrained based on previous behaviors, I'd agree. This is how ToS are used.
- How I would expect ToS to work, if they were honest, would be to clearly define standards and then apply those standards to people bound by the ToS consistently.
Akka
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That's actually beautifully said.
TheMeInTeam
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See my post above for disambiguation of "expect".
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The wonders of globalization.
Took a speedy 1 week to delete my account.
In other Blizzard news, they have canceled an event in New York because they are now scared of their fans and customers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bli...verwatch-event-hong-kong-controversy-2019-10/
Even worse, the announcement had to come from the store and Blizzard has said nothing about it.
The Blizzcon main event is on November 1 and 2 at the Anaheim Convention Center in California.
40,000 people are paying $229 per ticket. ($9 million)
Might be protestors.
Not sure how they will get past security.
Spoiler :
In other Blizzard news, they have canceled an event in New York because they are now scared of their fans and customers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bli...verwatch-event-hong-kong-controversy-2019-10/
125 lucky fans were to meet with the voice actors from Overwatch, but then the event was canceled.
Even worse, the announcement had to come from the store and Blizzard has said nothing about it.
At least OWN the cowardice.
The Blizzcon main event is on November 1 and 2 at the Anaheim Convention Center in California.
40,000 people are paying $229 per ticket. ($9 million)
Might be protestors.
Not sure how they will get past security.
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Conglaturation, you're not the only one. 
Ferocitus
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Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam aborts policy speech as members of Parliament jeer and surround her.
I like this bit:
Ms Lam was speaking hours after the US House of Representatives passed three pieces of legislation related to the Hong Kong protests...
One of the measures, the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, would require the US Secretary of State to certify every year that Hong Kong retained its autonomy in order to keep receiving the special treatment that has allowed it to be a major financial centre.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-16/carrie-lam-aborts-policy-speech-to-chorus-of-boos/11608308
I like this bit:
Ms Lam was speaking hours after the US House of Representatives passed three pieces of legislation related to the Hong Kong protests...
One of the measures, the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, would require the US Secretary of State to certify every year that Hong Kong retained its autonomy in order to keep receiving the special treatment that has allowed it to be a major financial centre.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-16/carrie-lam-aborts-policy-speech-to-chorus-of-boos/11608308
Do you work for the Chinese government or something? I ask because all your posts seem to involve you defending China and attacking its critics.
Face it, the Chinese government are the bad guys and siding with them, defending them, or sympathizing with them in any way makes you the bad guy too.
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The Chinese government isn't doing anything Western governments aren't doing or haven't already done. Concentration camps? Check. Citizen surveillance? Check. (London has more surveillance cameras per square meter than any other city in the world just FYI). Forcing people into labor they don't want? I mean, whether it is the USSR with their forced collectivization or the US where people slave away for less than minimum wage and go bankrupt over any outstanding expense and then just die, common people aren't doing that well.
Also, people are really quick to jump up on the China-hating wagon and label them manipulators when all they do is just... take advantage of American capitalism and vote with their dollars, which, ironically, is the epitome of free market US conservatives like so much. Meanwhile, pro-Israel lobbies are literally directing US foreign policies, and yet criticizing Israel is "antisemitism".
If anything, this just goes to show how the media is creating the villainous China narrative and people eat it up and swallow without a second thought.
PS: And just to be clear: China IS terrible, and I am not in any way defending China. I am just saying that the Western governments are just as garbage, if not worse.
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Ferocitus
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Pffft! Stop it with the white hat, black hat Manichean garbage. Even middle-of-the road US media outlets like Politico think that kind of rubbish is harmful to you in the long-run.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/15/donald-trump-china-trade-war-hostility-229851
It's too one-sided here - I love presenting the other side. I am a Communist, but I have nothing to do with the CCP - they have their means and methods which are appropriate for their region and their interests at this time in their history and development, but not elsewhere. (For the record, I'm a Lithuanian living in Australia.)
I know a little about what Chinese ambitions are, the means they will use, what they are aiming for. I learned a lot from some of my Australian comrades who went to China in 1952. They are not Maoists, nor Stalinists (having broken away after the Hungarian takeover). They kept in contact with parties in those countries and a couple of wharfies (your longshoremen?), founded Australia-Russia and Australia-China friendship associations.
The last one with living memory of the 1952 visit to China was a friend of the family, Elliot Johnson, a Supreme Court judge here in South Australia, who died a couple of years ago. I spoke many times to Elliot and others those who went there then (after they finished their WW2 army stints in New Guinea), and read what they reported back from those visits.
I have scientific contact with some Russian and Chinese scientists. My professor, colleague and later supervisor at Adelaide Uni gave a series of invited talks about our work on Internal Waves and Submarine Detection in China. Our Defence Dept. and Navy funded our work for several years and were aware of the talks we prepared.
I guess your experience has been gleaned from newspaper articles?
