[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[bernie14]

Seems like a non-secateur to me:

- Why do non-americans stand around in a park protesting american police?
- Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere
- So you are saying we should invade them?

Just making a literal interpretation and taking it to a logical conclusion

There are only two things to do with Manfred posts. Either ignore them or laugh at them. Anything else is a total waste of time to do.

Third option seems your strongest suit

 

[aelf]

Third option seems your strongest suit

I bet you think this is a clever remark, but no one knows what your "third option" is because it's not found in what I said.

 

[Joij21]

Always baffled me why protestors don't account for this and take steps to neutralize those cops on the rooftops.

Probably because they don't know what they are there for. Even their leaders probably don't know. Most of them were just living normal civilian lives before emotions and rage took hold of them and brought them to the streets. And because of where they were before, its not like any of them would have a background or expertise as per say police tactics and strategy.

Edit: There are police helicopters to spot them as well. So that's pretty much impossible for them to deal with as well, compared to just rooftops.

 

[Hrothbern]

Most of them were just living normal civilian lives before emotions and rage took hold of them and brought them to the streets

yes
and these people better stay who they are
and contribute their bit within their means
just keep going

 

[bernie14]

I bet you think this is a clever remark, but no one knows what your "third option" is because it's not found in what I said.

Ignore

Laugh

Waste time

 

[innonimatu]

Always baffled me why protestors don't account for this and take steps to neutralize those cops on the rooftops.

Because they're not the military. There may be people in protests who know there's things but there's no one organizing and coordinating teams to take over key position. And they're not armed to defend those positions. I mean, in the US they might be... don't know how fearful the police would be of attempting to take over occupied positions.

Back when the military rebelled and deposed the dictatorship regime in my country, in 74, one of the things the units involved did when confronting the loyalists was to make sure they controlled the positions on the rooftops of the capital where operations were ongoing. The officers leading the coup knew the importance of holding those positions, so as to deny them to the undercover political police agents who might gather information or snipe from there. Didn't have enough manpower but when they noticed civilians coming to the street to support them (which had not really been counted on) quickly told these civilians to help (and get out of the way) by holding the rooftops. The whole thing was won on positioning, forcing the surrender of the loyalists when they understood their positions were untenable (isolated, lacking coordination, demoralized and with desertions ongoing) if they fought.
But that kind of victory required organization, people who are used to thinking tactically. Civilian, spontaneous protests don't have people directing things.

 

[Hygro]

I bet you think this is a clever remark, but no one knows what your "third option" is because it's not found in what I said.

I do. And I disagree with what you said about Manfred.

 

[aelf]

Ignore

Laugh

Waste time

Then same as you, I guess?

I do. And I disagree with what you said about Manfred.

Suit yourself.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I do. And I disagree with what you said about Manfred.

What is your point of contention here my friend

 

[Gorbles]

Yes, but it's more of a 'what can we fine-tune, so that it's more effective' type of questioning on my part.
You might be too young, but we watched Occupy Wall Street completely fail. There are lessons to be learned about what's working and what's not. If people are going to stand up to rubber bullets, you need both constant improvement in both strategy and tactics.

Occupy Wall Street is a slightly different kind of change from the civil right's movement, the latter of which we're still seeing play out in police violence these days. Nevertheless, I think "completely fail" is a bit strong.

There are lessons to be learned about what works and doesn't work. I don't think "not wearing masks in the middle of a pandemic" is the right thing to be focusing on, or even referencing in passing though.

 

[El_Machinae]

Occupy Wall Street is a slightly different kind of change from the civil right's movement, the latter of which we're still seeing play out in police violence these days. Nevertheless, I think "completely fail" is a bit strong.

The violence due to the failure of OWS is invisible, but that failure is a causal factor in every single piece of state-authorized violence that we can correlate with poverty today. The fact that my generation failed is something the current protestors have to deal with.

That said, I appreciate the pushback. I realize that I'm more trying to say
"Remember that the mask is dehumanizing, so if you're trying to emote during the protest, be cognizant of that barrier". We're used to attending the feedback from our facial muscles regarding the success of our communication, so it feels like we're communicating much more clearly than we actually are."

 

[r16]

will not work here , because you can not just barge into some building because you will prevent or even better remove policemen from high ground . Police has the legal right and you are just some masked guy , who knows except Allah that you are not a thief ? And yes , all those movies ı have watched tells me that in America you will be simply shot for tresspassing . Oh yes , oh-kay , you found sympathetic owners and residents . You have a mask and you think you will change into new clothes as if there not cameras everywhere , never minding the drones . Tracking you all the way home and you might be left alone for further investigation . What will happen the people of the building , will they be moving away , turtle like shouldering their house on them ? Even battles are fought with a little concern for collateral damage and luckily ı will kick Trump and company faster then they can kill this site . You see , ı kept my sanity with ranting here for ages .

unless of course this is going in the direction of uses of sniper fire in urban combat ?

 

[Farm Boy]

"Remember that the mask is dehumanizing, so if you're trying to emote during the protest, be cognizant of that barrier". We're used to attending the feedback from our facial muscles regarding the success of our communication, so it feels like we're communicating much more clearly than we actually are."

Tons of that out there. Lots of nuance and manners lost again in a screwed situation to begin with, so the loss of anything else is acute. Hell, I can't even get half of you all here to believe me when I say what I'm saying. There's some other filter you've already got running to slip that input into.

But yes, masks make you seem more dangerous. Like I keep saying with the coronavirus, it's "hold my beer" time.

 

[Farm Boy]

unless of course this is going in the direction of uses of sniper fire in urban combat ?

I would think he's better trained than to imply that they exchange fire with a superior force set up in a defensive and elevated position from the safety of the street while surrounded by protesters. That's a bit boogaloo.

Breaking and entering and neutralizing any recalcitrant property or apartment dwellers seems more plausible. Or smoke or something.

If they get that coordinated the we'll wear the shine off those national guardsmen fast.

 

[El_Machinae]

Tons of that out there. Lots of nuance and manners lost again in a screwed situation to begin with, so the loss of anything else is acute. Hell, I can't even get half of you all here to believe me when I say what I'm saying. There's some other filter you've already got running that to slip that input into.

But yes, masks make you seem more dangerous. Like I keep saying with the coronavirus, it's "hold my beer" time.

You and I often miscommunicate, but you are definitely on my list of people I'd want to hold my beer if it meant we could chat in person.

 

[Farm Boy]

I mean, it's a bit unusual, but I'd hold your beer for a chat. It's customary for you to offer an activity more likely to result in your untimely demise.

Spoiler :

 

[red_elk]

 

[Hygro]

What is your point of contention here my friend

Aelf is free to laugh at Manfred and not understand Bernie’s quip, but to speak for the general “us” in doing so, I take strong issue with this, Aelf doesn’t speak for me.

I appreciate Aelf’s thoughts on intellectual and abstract matters but his smack talk is his alone.

 

[Joij21]

or apartment dwellers

Umm, are you implying violence against people in their homes? The last thing the protesters need is to go all Genghis Khan on other people. If that happens then every white person would have an excuse to return the favor.

 

[Farm Boy]

We were speculating on the possible interpretations of "neutralize police on rooftops."

I think breaking into people's homes is a bit too boogaloo too, yes.