[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

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Yes, BLM is an organization and not the same thing as the broader movement. If BLM doesn't specifically order riots, they provide cover for those who do destroy other people's property if not encouragement. Regardless, if violence becomes associated with the protests it will taint BLM too and corporate sponsors will face a backlash. I think its already started.
Sure. Fine. Whatever. But what you said was,
Will corporate sponsorship reduce BLM's involvement with violence? That would be a good thing, but on the other hand if its deemed the violence coerced the sponsors that is not good. It becomes extortion. If you want Target's money, burn down a couple of their stores.
This suggests that the Black Lives Matter organisation is somehow directing not only protests (a dubious assertion itself), but that it is directing riots and indeed looting, and the the leaders of this organisation have the power, should they be so maliciously inclined, to direct this violence for financial gain. You surely understand that this is, not to put too fine a point on it, nonsense?
 
I wish people would stop lumping Trayvon Martin in with police shootings. Zimmerman got off because of a stupid stand your ground law, a terrible law, but there was insufficient evidence to prove he did anything illegal. Cops are literally murdering people and getting off because they're being protected by the establishment. They are breaking the law and it's being covered up. It's a pretty big difference in my opinion.

All the cops have to say is "I feared for myself in the moment" and just about anything they do is legal.
 
Maybe the point is to make jaded dudes with anime avatars think that people being upset by the President of the US using Nazi memes are the real problem here
Uhm…
It's not arbitrary.

You might as well defend mass murderers as "just a bunch of serial murders in close proximity and frequency" instead of calling them what they are, terrorists.
I'm pretty much sure cardgame won't be convinced. ;)
 
Not just an arrestee... that makes it sound like he was a criminal or something.

McClain was literally just some dude walking while black. Kidnapped and drugged up by some gangbangers in blue.
 
Because cops are very... shall we say... persuasive.

Paramedics should be injecting cops with ketamine then. And if the cop dies, the paramedic can just use the same excuse the cops use: "I was in fear for my life at the moment."
 
But then cops will shoot them because they were in fear of their lives. Bullets tend to be more fast acting than ketamine when injected into the human body using the proper device
 
I will say this about iconoclasm, ISIS did it. They also began killing people. How much longer will it be until these people start killing actual people? Iconoclasm is just practice for decapitating real humans, no different then when you see young people killing dogs. You know when they grow up they'll become the next serial killer.
 
Here, MLK makes an argument that non-violent protest does not necessarily mean promotion of 'peace,' as in lack of tension. A peace that tolerates a stagnant complacency with the status quo is less tolerable than a state of tension in which conflict, disparity, and disagreement between fellows becomes clear. A path to justice is not through understanding and compromise, but an active fight for a good future against evils of the past.

A good peace is not simply a lack of some negative force, but the presence of a positive one. Justice. Goodwill. Equality.

"However, there is a type of war that every Christian is involved in. It is a spiritual war. It is a war of ideas. Every true Christian is a fighting passifist. In a very profound passage, which has been often misunderstood, Jesus utters this. He says “Think not that I am come to bring peace. I come not to bring peace, but a sword.” {Mt 10:34-36} Certainly he is not saying that he comes not to bring peace in the higher sense. What he is saying is: “I come not to bring this peace of escapism, this peace that fails to confront the real issues of life, the peace that makes for stagnant complacency.” Then he says, I come to bring a sword—not a physical sword. Whenever I come a conflict is precipitated between the old and the new, between justice and injustice, between the forces of light and the forces of darkness. “I come to declare war on evil. I come to declare war on injustice"
-MLK, "When Peace becomes Obnoxious"

Thx for tracking all that down. I agree Jesus' message precipitates conflict between the old and the new, but he specifically describes this conflict in terms of family. Was Jesus telling his followers to loot and burn the neighborhood to show their disgust with the Romans? Was that his sword?

No, he told his followers to obey the laws, render unto Caesar. Hell, Jesus told slaves to be happy with their lot in life and dont make waves. Was that peace obnoxious?

Here, MLK asserts that physically violent aspect of his movement represent a minority, and that this existence of a violent subset should have no bearing in either how his messages are perceived nor the moral value of his mission--which is to fight injustice. The moral character of the movement should be based upon the moral character of its majority--which is empirically largely peaceful and good.

Assuming for the sake of argument MLK discovered the protests he was leading had become cover for riots destroying neighborhoods, would he have continued? If people come to expect violence as a consequence of 'peaceful protests', the cause suffers. Plain and simple, it doesn't matter if the majority is peaceful. Who would want BLM protests in their neighborhood if the result was violence? The violent I guess.

Here, MLK makes an argument that while he condemns the riots and believes it to be self-destructive, that it is ultimately the status quo which is at blame for causing the riots to break out. Condemning a riot and failing to condemn the status quo or the oppressive conditions which caused it thus constitute a morally irresponsible act.

In addition, he condemns those who believe that status quo and 'tranquility,' that is, lack of protests and its accompanying riots, is preferable to justice and humanity, which he both noted previously must be fought for.

I dont see where MLK said they were self destructive, on the contrary, riots are the language of the unheard, ie riots allow them to be heard. He did say it would be immoral to condemn the riots without condemning the powers that be, but is that really a condemnation of riots? He's blaming someone else, it comes off as a rationalization - he's basically saying the targets of the riots deserve it even though most of the victims are black people.

I think MLK was using Jesus to excuse riots. The sword Jesus brings cleaves familial relationships apart, not the neighbor's livelihood. He wasn't preaching violence, just warning his followers they will be persecuted. And they were... Look at how long his followers remained peaceful in the face of horrendous crimes. Did they get it wrong and MLK got it right?
 
I will say this about iconoclasm, ISIS did it. They also began killing people. How much longer will it be until these people start killing actual people? Iconoclasm is just practice for decapitating real humans, no different then when you see young people killing dogs. You know when they grow up they'll become the next serial killer.

:culture: We didn't start the fire... :culture:


"Police said they knocked"

In a no knock warrant? Interesting. Definitely not a bald lie, aren't you glad we can trust our police? I know I sleep calmly every night because I'll never be extra-judicially murdered. Well, except those nights when Berzerker reminds me of the importance and horror of rioters burning buildings. Then I can't sleep at all.
 
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Thx for tracking all that down. I agree Jesus' message precipitates conflict between the old and the new, but he specifically describes this conflict in terms of family. Was Jesus telling his followers to loot and burn the neighborhood to show their disgust with the Romans? Was that his sword?

No, he told his followers to obey the laws, render unto Caesar. Hell, Jesus told slaves to be happy with their lot in life and dont make waves. Was that peace obnoxious?

Funnily enough after MLK was assassinated by the CIA, peaceful resistance started to look pretty stupid to people.
 
Funnily enough after MLK was assassinated by the CIA, peaceful resistance started to look pretty stupid to people.

And to jump this convo to the 21st century, where racism is poof, solved, at least half of the prominent Ferguson activists and leaders have died under suspicious af circumstances. Two gunshots to the back of the head style.
 
I will say this about iconoclasm, ISIS did it. They also began killing people. How much longer will it be until these people start killing actual people? Iconoclasm is just practice for decapitating real humans, no different then when you see young people killing dogs. You know when they grow up they'll become the next serial killer.


hahahahahaha. . . hahahahahhaha
 
And to jump this convo to the 21st century, where racism is poof, solved, at least half of the prominent Ferguson activists and leaders have died under suspicious af circumstances. Two gunshots to the back of the head style.

Yes; Danye Jones in particular was ruled a "suicide" but found hanging from a tree.

The extent to which the police go to protect themselves as well as strike terror into the hearts of the black community makes the riots seem tame honestly.
 
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