Going Vegan

[Stevenpfo]

For Mirc .... I gotta be quick. Taking my son to school

Factory farms are in Europe. Wish I had more time to find good info...

The practice has become increasingly unpopular in Europe due to a series of events associated with modern farming techniques, including outbreaks of swine fever, BSE, foot and mouth, and bird flu, together with concern over animal welfare. Gerhard Schroeder, then German Chancellor, called for an end to factory farming in 2000 in response to Europe's BSE crisis

Although Europe has become increasingly skeptical of factory farming, after a series of diseases such as BSE (mad cow) and foot and mouth disease affected its agricultural industries, globally there are indications that the industrialized production of farm animals is set to increase.

link.

When I get home i'll try to find some specific examples for you. I don't think it is as big of a problem in the EU but it is still there. I think people in the EU eat meat less than in N America.

 

[harem_merah]

But would you not agree that if you could feed 5 - 10 vegetarians/vegans on the same amount of land used to feed a cow that it would help solve this? No semantics or if this is even possible. Do you think it would help?

A cow can feed 5 people too... even more, if you add both the milk and its products and the meat. And if you compare the amount of protein brought by a cow and brought by consuming vegetables...

The last part of my user name is actually a reference to a special dish made of cow meat. It's great.
When I lived in India, I hated what vegetarianism makes from people... I eat quite a lot of vegetables but giving up meat is just not for me, and I don't think for anybody.

 

[Murky]

I don't think we need to totally eliminate meat from our diet but we probably do eat way too much of it. There are many other choices that both taste good and are better for you. If we consumed meat less often then there would be less demand and no need for the factory livestock farms.

 

[Shaihulud]

It is entirely up to a persons choice to go vegan, maybe because of the taste or some form of morality. I personally think that going vegetarian is the course for the future, the lifestyle can support a larger concentration of ppl, and there will be more ppl. I like meat alot and will always find time to eat an animal. As non vegans should try to understand and try to respect instead of mocking ppls choices.

 

[Mirc]

I don't think we need to totally eliminate meat from our diet but we probably do eat way too much of it. There are many other choices that both taste good and are better for you. If we consumed meat less often then there would be less demand and no need for the factory livestock farms.

I agree. Anyway I noticed the Americans (and Germans, from the Europeans) eat more meat than it's healthy for them.

 

[Stevenpfo]

A cow can feed 5 people too... even more, if you add both the milk and its products and the meat. And if you compare the amount of protein brought by a cow and brought by consuming vegetables...

Yes, if you chop a cow up it can feed way more than 5 - 10 people in a sitting. What i'm saying, though, is that the land used to raise a cow can feed 5 - 10 vegetarians/vegans. Can one cow feed 5 - 10 people reliably for the same amount of time it takes to raise said cow?

 

[DNK]

Well, Basketcase, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't want to start yet another argument in this thread, and plenty of other posts have been made to state my points anyway.

 

[BasketCase]

I agree. I mean, I disagree. I mean, I agree to dis----

Damn. I'm getting a headache.

No prob, DNK. Vegans can go ahead and believe whatever they like as long as their lifestyle doesn't impact me--and as long as they don't try to convert me to their religion.

As my brother likes to put it: "you're entitled to your wrong opinion".

 

[BasketCase]

But would you not agree that if you could feed 5 - 10 vegetarians/vegans on the same amount of land used to feed a cow that it would help solve this? No semantics or if this is even possible. Do you think it would help?

Since a cow weights 5-10 times as much as a person--no. The net change in nutritional output would probably be zero.

 

[JohnRM]

No, I'm not, but an animal rights thread in another forum has reverted to insulting(trolling?) and funny numbers, and I want to hear what this forum has to say about it.

For every animal that you don't eat, I am going to eat three.

 

[Stevenpfo]

For every animal that you don't eat, I am going to eat three.

Yeah, but then you'll get all fat and die real early, John. Thus saving a bunch of animals lives. Actually ... That's a good idea. I suggest everyone eat 3-4 times the amount of meat they normally do!

 

[JohnRM]

Yeah, but then you'll get all fat and die real early, John. Thus saving a bunch of animals lives. Actually ... That's a good idea. I suggest everyone eat 3-4 times the amount of meat they normally do!

Hmm...I suppose that I could just kill three and eat one.

 

[Japanrocks12]

Hmm...I suppose that I could just kill three and eat one.

how about you kill one, and eat three