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I honestly don't understand the Paul/Romney alliance. You'd think that Paul supporters would hate Mitt, but Paul seems to love the guy.

It's quite simple. Paul's wife and Romney's wife like each other which means Paul and Romney have to play nice with each other. This doesn't happen with the other candidates because while Paul and Romney have to keep their wives happy, Gingrich can just get a new one and Santorum can tell his to shut up and get back in the kitchen.
 
I honestly don't understand the Paul/Romney alliance. You'd think that Paul supporters would hate Mitt, but Paul seems to love the guy.

Well, I wouldn't consider myself to be a true Paul supporter, although I am kinda rooting for him because he brings a different and in some cases much needed perspective to the race, but:

I think it's more of a strategic thing. They probably figure that Romney will eventually win, so it is best not to rough him up too badly and risk becoming 'that guy' who messed everything up for the GOP. (Right... That'll be what ruins it. :rolleyes:) So he can still get his message out to by taking on truly objectionable people.

Also, I think part of it has to do with the fact that most of his support comes from more quasi-liberal voters, and I think a lot people suspect that Romney really isn't that conservative on the social stuff, but is just playing the part the way Romney does, and that's probably okay for the more libertarianish crowd that he attracts.
 
If his name is Ron Paul, yeah. :p
Oh, I don't remember him leaving his Senate seat vacant so that he has no part in the political process he seems to be so critical of. A politician will always find ways to rationalize his power even if it's the old "changing the system from within" excuse. Nobody comes as far as Paul without doing so.
 
I honestly don't understand the Paul/Romney alliance. You'd think that Paul supporters would hate Mitt, but Paul seems to love the guy.

Isn't Romney fundamentally a small government type? That's certainly the impression I've taken away this campaign, though I suppose there is that whole matter with Romneycare.
 
Ron Paul would be an excellent VP: He could make bigoted comments about gays, blacks, transgendered people, women, hispanics, non-christians etc, to distract people from Romneys lack of personality/humanity.

Come on, the vast majority of crazy stuff Ron Paul says is completely non-bigoted. That being said, having a fairly bland President and a goofiness-prone VP is working pretty well for the current administration, and I'd definitely support Ron Paul for a position that lacks power, so I think tapping Paul as a running mate would be a good move on Romney's part.
 
Just a thing about proportional voting and Romney's weakness:

US primaries an arms race between states


[...] [T]he Republican national committee, to its credit, tried to do something about this problem. It adopted a rule that states voting early in the piece -- a phase that we're still in, even though it seems to have been going on forever -- had to allocate their delegates on a proportional basis.

So the score in Republican delegates so far should roughly reflect the proportion of votes each of the candidates has received, right? In reality, it's nothing like it. Front-runner Romney has well over half the delegates (415 out of 745 according to The New York Times tabulation), but in the popular vote so far he's running at maybe about 40% (RealClearPolitics has running totals, but there is no official tally).

Proportional allocation doesn't mean what it sounds like; it just means something a bit better than straight winner-take-all. And the departures from a genuinely proportional result aren't random: they have been systematically advantaging Romney and concealing the strength of support his opponents have.

Take Ohio, the most important of this week's races. Romney won 38% of the vote, about 1% ahead of Rick Santorum. But Romney will take at least 35 of the state's 63 pledged delegates, and Santorum will get the rest -- Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul, who had almost a quarter of the vote between them, will get none. Most of the delegates are allocated to the winner in each congressional district, and even for the statewide proportional ones there is a threshold of 20%, which only Romney and Santorum reached.

Or look at Georgia, which also has a 20% threshold. Santorum, who got 19.6%, therefore misses out on the statewide delegates, winning only two (out of 76) for being runner-up in two congressional districts. Gingrich, with less than half the vote, wins about 60% of the delegates.

Romney, who has finished in the top two almost everywhere, benefits most from these anomalies. Consider Ohio again: on a truly proportional result, Romney and Santorum would have won 24 delegates each, Gingrich nine and Paul six. If it came to a vote at the convention, Gingrich's delegates would be likely to back Santorum (or vice versa), putting Romney in the minority.

That's a reflection of the more general fact that if Gingrich and Paul were not in the race, reducing it to a straight fight between Romney and Santorum, Romney would quite possibly be losing. Gingrich's voters would tend to support Santorum, and while Paul's might lean to Romney, they would be more likely to just stay home and there are fewer of them anyway.

And this is, if you think about it, a truly extraordinary thing. The fact that Romney, a successful governor and former candidate with multiple endorsements and huge reserves of cash, is at best only marginally preferred by Republican voters to Santorum, the wingnut from central casting, speaks volumes about the sort of organisation that the Republican party has become.

It also hurts Romney in his eventual battle with Barack Obama. As Josh Marshall put it last month in Talking Points Memo, "running around the country in a long twilight struggle with Rick Santorum is just ... how to put it? inherently demeaning and diminishing. It's like struggling to land a one pound fish or searching for the way out of a paper bag."

And the fact that no one much seems to care about the discrepancy between delegate mathematics and actual support tells us something else about American democracy, and that affects more than just the Republicans. A system that was, as I've said before, state of the art in the 1830s has drifted a long way from democratic norms, and nothing that happens in the current contest looks likely to drag it back.
 
Come on, the vast majority of crazy stuff Ron Paul says is completely non-bigoted. That being said, having a fairly bland President and a goofiness-prone VP is working pretty well for the current administration, and I'd definitely support Ron Paul for a position that lacks power, so I think tapping Paul as a running mate would be a good move on Romney's part.

But it has the crucial flaw that a Palin Vice Presidency would have: if something were to happen to Mittens, Ron Paul would take over, and the country would be in ruins shortly thereafter.
 
Isn't Romney fundamentally a small government type? That's certainly the impression I've taken away this campaign, though I suppose there is that whole matter with Romneycare.


He's an American conservative. By definition he is not "small government". What they are for is a weak social safety net, poor education, and weak regulatory protections. But they get big government again in a strong police state, excessive crackdowns on law and order far in excess of the benefits, and social authoritarianism. Conservatism in the past was often Nativist and Isolationist. Now it is Nativist and interventionist.

Recall that the biggest expansions in government in the past 40 years have been Nixon, Reagan, and GW Bush.
 
if something were to happen to Mittens, Ron Paul would take over, and the country would be in ruins shortly thereafter.
Which is exactly we leftist radicals who hate America must strive for!
 
I honestly don't understand the Paul/Romney alliance. You'd think that Paul supporters would hate Mitt, but Paul seems to love the guy.
I have a pretty strong suspicion that Paul thinks his supporters are as crazy as the rest of us do, he just doesn't say it out loud.
 
Isn't Romney fundamentally a small government type? That's certainly the impression I've taken away this campaign, though I suppose there is that whole matter with Romneycare.
But as he has said before, health care would be a states' decision, not a federal one.
 
But as he has said before, health care would be a states' decision, not a federal one.

In many people's eyes, this is a poor excuse for what he did. He implemented a universal-mandate health insurance program at the highest level of government he could at that point, which is consistent with the good ol' Heritage Foundation from the 90s but not the new-fangled 21st century one.
 
It's quite simple. Paul's wife and Romney's wife like each other which means Paul and Romney have to play nice with each other. This doesn't happen with the other candidates because while Paul and Romney have to keep their wives happy, Gingrich can just get a new one and Santorum can tell his to shut up and get back in the kitchen.

This makes sense to me.

I think it's more of a strategic thing. They probably figure that Romney will eventually win, so it is best not to rough him up too badly and risk becoming 'that guy' who messed everything up for the GOP. (Right... That'll be what ruins it. :rolleyes:) So he can still get his message out to by taking on truly objectionable people.

Also, I think part of it has to do with the fact that most of his support comes from more quasi-liberal voters, and I think a lot people suspect that Romney really isn't that conservative on the social stuff, but is just playing the part the way Romney does, and that's probably okay for the more libertarianish crowd that he attracts.

This is also possible, but I thought Paul (with his emphasis on being consistent) would shun that kind of pragmatism.
 
But as he has said before, health care would be a states' decision, not a federal one.
"A matter for the states" is a veiled way of saying that you realise you can't swing something at a national level, but you think that you can swing it in certain states. (Notice how institutionalised white supremacy only became a "states' rights" issue after the Civil War?) Conservatives may be daft enough to believe that moderates will fall for that particular manoeuvre, but most them aren't quite daft enough to fall for it themselves.
 
Come on, the vast majority of crazy stuff Ron Paul says is completely non-bigoted. That being said, having a fairly bland President and a goofiness-prone VP is working pretty well for the current administration, and I'd definitely support Ron Paul for a position that lacks power, so I think tapping Paul as a running mate would be a good move on Romney's part.

What happens if Romney ends up dying in office somehow though? When you pick someone as VP to get rid of them, you know what tends to happen...

Also, can you imagine if Paul was the VP and the senate was split 50/50????
 
In many people's eyes, this is a poor excuse for what he did. He implemented a universal-mandate health insurance program at the highest level of government he could at that point, which is consistent with the good ol' Heritage Foundation from the 90s but not the new-fangled 21st century one.
He did it because the the people of Massachusetts wanted it. He didn't draw up the plan, the Democrats in the state created it, the population supported it, and he gave them what they wanted. The people are still happy with it. That's why he supports letting the states make their own plans. Each state's population wants something different, so under his plan, each state can cater to their own population.

"A matter for the states" is a veiled way of saying that you realise you can't swing something at a national level, but you think that you can swing it in certain states. (Notice how institutionalised white supremacy only became a "states' rights" issue after the Civil War?) Conservatives may be daft enough to believe that moderates will fall for that particular manoeuvre, but most them aren't quite daft enough to fall for it themselves.
His plan makes sense, and he stands by it. And because of that, I stand by him. Let the states deal with what their people want, rather than having the federal government making one big plan that will leave a number of states unhappy.
 
Let the states deal with what their people want, rather than having the federal government making one big plan that will leave a number of states unhappy.
So the Feds (and Supreme Court) should not interfere with state and local gun control?
 
Should the states declare and wage foreign wars, rather than the federal government deciding upon war that will make certain states unhappy?
 
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