hg3: Plain Ol' Diety
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Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Solid turns as usual Yom. I've got it, will go and play it now.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Preturn- We're looking good, Yom left the empire in good shape.
IT- German Pike/settler combo approaches the choke
Kiev-worker-worker
Paris completes Sistine Chapel
Turn 1
Kursk founded. Set to worker.
Sell our maps for gold, not much else.
IT- Germans draw closer to the choke
Moscow-settler-marketplace
Kiev-worker-worker
Minsk-settler-market
Germany starts Leo's
Turn 2
Kuibyshev founded. Set to library.
Not much else of interest to report. No deals available.
IT- Alexander decideds that my generous offer of our WM every turn isn't enough, and demands our TM and 27g. Take it, you big bully.
St. P-settler-settler
Kiev-worker-worker
Riga riots.
Turn 3
Magnitogorsk founded. Set to harbor.
Uralsk founded. Set to worker.
IT- We get a boot order from Germany. Their borders must have expanded to include the choke. I agree with them.
Kharkov-worker-library
Turn 4
Not much to report.
IT- Germans found a city right next to our choke.
Kiev-worker-worker
Odessa-library-Courthouse
Germans are building Bach's
Turn 5
Not much new. Englad has Gunpowder, but there is no deal possible right now.
IT- Dnepropetrovsk-worker-library
Turn 6
Nothing new.
IT- Kiev-worker-worker
Turn 7
We can almost get Education from England for all we have. Once our other deals end, we'll definitely be able to pick it up.
IT- St. P-settler-market
Maikaop-worker-library
Yakutsk-worker-market
Germans start Copernicus'
Germans finish Leo's, French complete Bach's
Turn 8
Kazan founded. Set to harbor.
Nothing mcuh else to report.
IT- Several foreign galleys troll our coastline
Kiev-worker-worker
English complete Sun Tzu's
Turn 9
Vologda founded. Set to Library
Murmansk founded. Set to harbor
Nothing much else of interest.
IT- Germany completes Copernicus's
Turn 10
Quite uneventful.
Afterthoughts
We now have the economic capability to buy either gunpowder or education, but not both. In a few turns, however, we'll gain back around 50gpt that we've been paying out in deals. In addition to that, several markets are about to come online, so we should be able to buy at least one more tech. Unfortunately, I don't see any oppurtunity for any 2fers. I suspect that England is behind the others, so an oppurtunity may be revealed once we get either gunpowder or education.
Also, there is one settler that is ready to settle next turn, and another is heading south, and can settle on the forset east of the game.
IT- German Pike/settler combo approaches the choke
Kiev-worker-worker
Paris completes Sistine Chapel
Turn 1
Kursk founded. Set to worker.
Sell our maps for gold, not much else.
IT- Germans draw closer to the choke
Moscow-settler-marketplace
Kiev-worker-worker
Minsk-settler-market
Germany starts Leo's
Turn 2
Kuibyshev founded. Set to library.
Not much else of interest to report. No deals available.
IT- Alexander decideds that my generous offer of our WM every turn isn't enough, and demands our TM and 27g. Take it, you big bully.
St. P-settler-settler
Kiev-worker-worker
Riga riots.
Turn 3
Magnitogorsk founded. Set to harbor.
Uralsk founded. Set to worker.
IT- We get a boot order from Germany. Their borders must have expanded to include the choke. I agree with them.
Kharkov-worker-library
Turn 4
Not much to report.
IT- Germans found a city right next to our choke.
Kiev-worker-worker
Odessa-library-Courthouse
Germans are building Bach's
Turn 5
Not much new. Englad has Gunpowder, but there is no deal possible right now.
IT- Dnepropetrovsk-worker-library
Turn 6
Nothing new.
IT- Kiev-worker-worker
Turn 7
We can almost get Education from England for all we have. Once our other deals end, we'll definitely be able to pick it up.
IT- St. P-settler-market
Maikaop-worker-library
Yakutsk-worker-market
Germans start Copernicus'
Germans finish Leo's, French complete Bach's
Turn 8
Kazan founded. Set to harbor.
Nothing mcuh else to report.
IT- Several foreign galleys troll our coastline
Kiev-worker-worker
English complete Sun Tzu's
Turn 9
Vologda founded. Set to Library
Murmansk founded. Set to harbor
Nothing much else of interest.
IT- Germany completes Copernicus's
Turn 10
Quite uneventful.
Afterthoughts
We now have the economic capability to buy either gunpowder or education, but not both. In a few turns, however, we'll gain back around 50gpt that we've been paying out in deals. In addition to that, several markets are about to come online, so we should be able to buy at least one more tech. Unfortunately, I don't see any oppurtunity for any 2fers. I suspect that England is behind the others, so an oppurtunity may be revealed once we get either gunpowder or education.
Also, there is one settler that is ready to settle next turn, and another is heading south, and can settle on the forset east of the game.
Pregame: We need culture first in the 'lake' cities, I switch them to libraries. These will actually get us more gold and keep the AI from settling in our area/flipping our cities. We have 2 Settlers, and corruption is starting to go through the roof. OK, no more settlers! We need a FP badly. My first war pick would be Germany. I rush the libraries at Smolnesk and Sverdlovsk since they really need to be developed. I don't see a lot of hope for deals with the AI, so I throw research to min on gunpowder. We have a lot of rioting potentials, lux goes to 20%
70: Settle Vitebsk, kill the scouts for shields.
90: MM, and building
110: more MM.
IBT: Egypt destroy's Rome. Other civs begin Magellans
130: We get our GPT back. I could increase tech, but keeping the money for some rushes.
150: I trade incence to france for some gold & wm. I talk greece into giving me Education for 41gpt + 167g + gems. Egypt trades us Chivalry for Theology and 2gpt.
IBT: Germany moves to settle some of our unclaimed tundra.
170: Not much.
IBT: Joan, my TRUE LOVE, offers us Music Theory for only 10 GOLD! I almost fall out of my chair! Then, she asks for some gems at 11gpt + 30 gold and WM! I build a small love shrine in my bedroom for her. We lose our supply of dyes from the Germans...ugh. I get them back for 7gpt.
190: Found Batum. I decide that not using 'accelerated production' is totally stupid. Waste in our cities is very high.
IBT: Germans found New Hannover. French begin Smiths.
210: Chivalry to Korea for 56g and a worker +wm.
230: Trying to spawn some WLTK days, so lux 30%, and MM for some happiness.
250: WLTK days happen. Palace gets improved with some nice steps. I check out our new happy towns...our corruption is worse than I thought...waste is still very, very high... Next turn everyone will finally have a garrison force...not much of one, but it keeps the AI back a little. I sell off the WM for some quick cash.
260: Everyone has a garrison now. 2 more cities come online in 2 turns. The only workers I have scheduled for tasks are the guys building a road to Murmansk.
Postgame: WLTK day is helping in our inner cities, all you need to do is have zero unhappy people in a city of at least size 6. We need that forbidden palace, sorry I couldn't find a place for it. We are very much the 'middle' civ as far as rankings go, but after building up some infastructure, we will be able to start up the war machine. Be careful to not let anyone riot. If you can score astronomy, we will be able to trade with everyone on the other continent. I almost have all of our cities connected, keep the workers on top of it.
The Save.
70: Settle Vitebsk, kill the scouts for shields.
90: MM, and building
110: more MM.
IBT: Egypt destroy's Rome. Other civs begin Magellans
130: We get our GPT back. I could increase tech, but keeping the money for some rushes.
150: I trade incence to france for some gold & wm. I talk greece into giving me Education for 41gpt + 167g + gems. Egypt trades us Chivalry for Theology and 2gpt.
IBT: Germany moves to settle some of our unclaimed tundra.
170: Not much.
IBT: Joan, my TRUE LOVE, offers us Music Theory for only 10 GOLD! I almost fall out of my chair! Then, she asks for some gems at 11gpt + 30 gold and WM! I build a small love shrine in my bedroom for her. We lose our supply of dyes from the Germans...ugh. I get them back for 7gpt.
190: Found Batum. I decide that not using 'accelerated production' is totally stupid. Waste in our cities is very high.
IBT: Germans found New Hannover. French begin Smiths.
210: Chivalry to Korea for 56g and a worker +wm.
230: Trying to spawn some WLTK days, so lux 30%, and MM for some happiness.
250: WLTK days happen. Palace gets improved with some nice steps. I check out our new happy towns...our corruption is worse than I thought...waste is still very, very high... Next turn everyone will finally have a garrison force...not much of one, but it keeps the AI back a little. I sell off the WM for some quick cash.
260: Everyone has a garrison now. 2 more cities come online in 2 turns. The only workers I have scheduled for tasks are the guys building a road to Murmansk.
Postgame: WLTK day is helping in our inner cities, all you need to do is have zero unhappy people in a city of at least size 6. We need that forbidden palace, sorry I couldn't find a place for it. We are very much the 'middle' civ as far as rankings go, but after building up some infastructure, we will be able to start up the war machine. Be careful to not let anyone riot. If you can score astronomy, we will be able to trade with everyone on the other continent. I almost have all of our cities connected, keep the workers on top of it.
The Save.
FP was supposed to be in smolensk to get our lake cities happy...
On the subject of war, I don't think we're very well geared towards war yet. Cossacks aren't a very good unit in PTW and our nearest neighbor, Germany, is very strong (Otto and France are the strongest in the World). If we are committed to going to war, however, I would wait until all deals running through Germany expire first (i.e. any deals to France, england or Korea, as they all run through German waters) and immediately make an alliance w/France and England against them. Anyone else we can afford going to war with. Second of all, if we're headed for all out annihilation of the Germans, we should wait for a leader to get an FP.
OTOH, if we're playing a peaceful game, FP should definitely go in Smolensk (or the city just above it, forgot its name). The lake cities have the potential to be strong with minimal corruption.
Oh, and Music Theory was only that cheap because Bach's is already built. It's essentially useless. As for the Dye/Gems deal. The Gems were originally going to Germany, but good idea on keeping the luxuries out of our enemy's hands and still getting the Dyes.
On the subject of war, I don't think we're very well geared towards war yet. Cossacks aren't a very good unit in PTW and our nearest neighbor, Germany, is very strong (Otto and France are the strongest in the World). If we are committed to going to war, however, I would wait until all deals running through Germany expire first (i.e. any deals to France, england or Korea, as they all run through German waters) and immediately make an alliance w/France and England against them. Anyone else we can afford going to war with. Second of all, if we're headed for all out annihilation of the Germans, we should wait for a leader to get an FP.
OTOH, if we're playing a peaceful game, FP should definitely go in Smolensk (or the city just above it, forgot its name). The lake cities have the potential to be strong with minimal corruption.
Oh, and Music Theory was only that cheap because Bach's is already built. It's essentially useless. As for the Dye/Gems deal. The Gems were originally going to Germany, but good idea on keeping the luxuries out of our enemy's hands and still getting the Dyes.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
In my honest opinion, we are nowhere near ready to go to war, and I'm really not sure if we need to. Once we get the FP by our northern cities, I think we'll be able to compete just fine without risking what could be a very nasty war with a very powerful Germany.
Looking at the few warriors guarding the cities closest to the Germans, I would be worried about an attack. We need to build up our defensive military; warriors aren't going to do any good for us.
Ah, I see I'm also up. I'll have the turns posted soon.
Ah, I see I'm also up. I'll have the turns posted soon.
Turn 0: I see that all of our defensive military is mostly warriors. That's not good. Supposedly, the Germans have cavalry. We need to build up.
IBT: Kiev: pikeman -> pikeman. Krasnoyarsk: marketplace -> pikeman. Magnitogorsk riots.
Turn 1: I change one citizen in Magnitogorsk to a tax collector. I notice that some workers are improving squares that aren't even being worked by the citizens and they are terribly unorganized. I send newly built pikeman to defend Smolensk.
IBT: Some cultural influences expand. Uralsk: worker -> worker.
Turn 2: Worker movements.
IBT: Rostov: library -> pikeman. We get to expand palace.
Turn 3: No available trades, nothing else to report.
IBT: Kiev: pikeman -> library. Minsk: temple -> pikeman. Batum riots.
Turn 4: Nothing much. Move pikeman to somewhere where it's more useful.
IBT: Carthagineans offer gunpowder for education and 22 gold. I change it to education and 4 gold. Tblisi: library -> pikeman. Germans start Newton's.
English start Smith's.
Turn 5: I check for available trades. None. I find at least 1 source of saltpeter in our borders. I check for more. Nope, it appears we only have 1. It isn't connected yet, though.
IBT: Yakutsk: library -> marketplace.
Turn 6: Just some worker movements.
IBT: Kras: pikeman -> library.
Turn 7: I hook up saltpeter.
IBT: Kiev: library -> musketman. Minsk: pikeman -> library. Rostov: pikeman -> musketman. French start Newton's. Greeks(?) start Magellan's.
Turn 8: I can almost buy astronomy from England, but I don't have enough gold. Maybe next turn. Same with Egypt.
IBT: St Petersburg: temple -> musketman. Tblisi: pikeman -> university. Astrakhan: temple -> musketman.
Turn 9: I buy astronomy from England for incense, gems, 31 gpt, and 248 gold. Start on chemistry. Germans and French enter Industrial Age.
IBT: Nothing much.
Turn 10: Nothing much.
IBT: Kiev: pikeman -> pikeman. Krasnoyarsk: marketplace -> pikeman. Magnitogorsk riots.
Turn 1: I change one citizen in Magnitogorsk to a tax collector. I notice that some workers are improving squares that aren't even being worked by the citizens and they are terribly unorganized. I send newly built pikeman to defend Smolensk.
IBT: Some cultural influences expand. Uralsk: worker -> worker.
Turn 2: Worker movements.
IBT: Rostov: library -> pikeman. We get to expand palace.
Turn 3: No available trades, nothing else to report.
IBT: Kiev: pikeman -> library. Minsk: temple -> pikeman. Batum riots.
Turn 4: Nothing much. Move pikeman to somewhere where it's more useful.
IBT: Carthagineans offer gunpowder for education and 22 gold. I change it to education and 4 gold. Tblisi: library -> pikeman. Germans start Newton's.
English start Smith's.Turn 5: I check for available trades. None. I find at least 1 source of saltpeter in our borders. I check for more. Nope, it appears we only have 1. It isn't connected yet, though.
IBT: Yakutsk: library -> marketplace.
Turn 6: Just some worker movements.
IBT: Kras: pikeman -> library.
Turn 7: I hook up saltpeter.
IBT: Kiev: library -> musketman. Minsk: pikeman -> library. Rostov: pikeman -> musketman. French start Newton's. Greeks(?) start Magellan's.
Turn 8: I can almost buy astronomy from England, but I don't have enough gold. Maybe next turn. Same with Egypt.
IBT: St Petersburg: temple -> musketman. Tblisi: pikeman -> university. Astrakhan: temple -> musketman.
Turn 9: I buy astronomy from England for incense, gems, 31 gpt, and 248 gold. Start on chemistry. Germans and French enter Industrial Age.
IBT: Nothing much.
Turn 10: Nothing much.
King Alexander
Universe explorer
I guess I'm up.. Have you any suggestions?
I'll try to connect any unconnected cities(if any left), build our defence.
I'll try to connect any unconnected cities(if any left), build our defence.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
I'd say focus on improving our infrastructure, then pump out a defender or two in our border cities. A few extra muskets probably won't mean much of anything if Germany does decide to pay us a visit, but it may just slow them down.
King Alexander
Universe explorer
Ok, I'll do that. I can't promise I'll play today, because I'm on work right now and haven't slept since our victory in euro2004 last night: celebrating and dancing in the streets!
Kiech said:
I didn't reassign any workers. I just pointed out that alot of workers (besides the highway builders) were doing some useless jobs.
Edit: I just checked the 360AD save again and I have all of the cities connected except one (Magnitogorsk).
Don't listen to me, but I recommend that we strike a balance between military buildup and infrastructure. If Germany does decide to pay us a visit, I would estimate they would take what they need in a little over 5 turns.
King Alexander
Universe explorer
>>SAVE <<
370AD (1)
Worker moves.
380AD (2)
Nothing.
390AD (3)
No one is willing to trade a tech. Iroquis dont have Gunpowder and Education and Koreans Theology and Gunpowder.
Ill trade them Gunpowder as theyre closer to research this tech, judging by their offers.
Give Iroquis Gunpowder for WM + Ivory + 53g(all they have).
Koreans dont have more than 1g, so, its not worth it.
400AD (4)
Nothing.
IBT
Bismark demands TM + 24g, I give in. Franfurt(German) completes Magellans Voyage.
Tours(French) completes Newtons University.
England, Greece, begin Smiths Trading Company.
410AD (5)
I buy Navigation from Carthage(only Carthage and France trades) and I give them Gems + 126g + 15gpt.
IBT
Koreans want to trade WMs, I give them 1g for their TM.
Dyes deal with Germany ends: I offer them Gems for Dyes + 190g + WM.
420AD (6)
Nothing.
430AD (7)
Nothing.
440AD (8)
Check to see what anyone offers: no one trades for a tech and no one gives anything good for Luxuries, EXCEPT Joan .
Give Insense to Joan for WM + 128g(all they have) + 15gpt.
Give Gems to Joan for 24gpt.
Not bad: Joan is very nice to us!
Hurry Courthouse in Smolensk and Vladivostok.
450AD (9)
Nothing.
IBT
Paris completes Smiths.
460AD (10)
Nothing.
Summary:
We really need more workers, so we can improve the land faster and many cities need aquedects to grow. Now that we have a good gpt, we can rush some improvements every now and then where needed.
What about the unclaimed land between our cities in the south coast? Settle it?
370AD (1)
Worker moves.
380AD (2)
Nothing.
390AD (3)
No one is willing to trade a tech. Iroquis dont have Gunpowder and Education and Koreans Theology and Gunpowder.
Ill trade them Gunpowder as theyre closer to research this tech, judging by their offers.
Give Iroquis Gunpowder for WM + Ivory + 53g(all they have).
Koreans dont have more than 1g, so, its not worth it.
400AD (4)
Nothing.
IBT
Bismark demands TM + 24g, I give in. Franfurt(German) completes Magellans Voyage.
Tours(French) completes Newtons University.
England, Greece, begin Smiths Trading Company.
410AD (5)
I buy Navigation from Carthage(only Carthage and France trades) and I give them Gems + 126g + 15gpt.
IBT
Koreans want to trade WMs, I give them 1g for their TM.
Dyes deal with Germany ends: I offer them Gems for Dyes + 190g + WM.
420AD (6)
Nothing.
430AD (7)
Nothing.
440AD (8)
Check to see what anyone offers: no one trades for a tech and no one gives anything good for Luxuries, EXCEPT Joan .
Give Insense to Joan for WM + 128g(all they have) + 15gpt.
Give Gems to Joan for 24gpt.
Not bad: Joan is very nice to us!
Hurry Courthouse in Smolensk and Vladivostok.
450AD (9)
Nothing.
IBT
Paris completes Smiths.
460AD (10)
Nothing.
Summary:
We really need more workers, so we can improve the land faster and many cities need aquedects to grow. Now that we have a good gpt, we can rush some improvements every now and then where needed.
What about the unclaimed land between our cities in the south coast? Settle it?
, so I'll try to get this as soon as I can, but I doubt I'll have it finished before tomorrow.Similar threads
