How do you, as a meat-eater, justify the violence inherent in your food?

[Ziggy Stardust]

All my cat does is eat, sleep, does his buissness in the litter box.

Not an answer to my question. Lock him up in a small room with a litterbox and food for days. Not a happy cat I can asure you. I have two cats myself.

Just pure muckraker materials

No comprendos. What's muckraker?

 

[silver 2039]

The thing is humans are ominivores we're meant to eat meat. Is it incompassionate for the tiger to kill the dear?

of couse we shouldn't treat animals cruelly with the factory farms and such but there is no need to do away with eating meat all together.

 

[Kyriakos]

Dissallowing meat shows compassion? Perhaps you should think of the loss in quality of life all the people who enjoy eating meat would have to cope with.
Also you should understand that you do not feel something about the animals; you just feel something of your personal impressions of them. Your impressions are a different thing than the actual animal. Unless you believe that you are linked to them telepathically, there is no way that you have any grasp of how life is for them, and it is quite obvious that they cannot be compared to humans in relation to intelligence.
And although dietary habbits can indeed have an effect on how one feels (for somatic reasons) they are a lot less likely to affect the core of one's emotions, unless you have formed supposed explanations of how you feel, linking them to what you eat, which is-afterall- quite common for vegiterians.

Just remember Helena

 

[GenMarshall]

Another two sentences contradicted each other. Cows and chickens are NOT fed the proper foodstuff. Cows are meant to eat grass not grain, soybeans and sewage sludge.

Sorry but they are fed the proper foodstuff. The statement that Cows are eating grain, soybeans, and sewage sludge is just mud raked up by liberal muckrakers.

People in the US get illnesses from meat also.

The only illnesses they get from meat is from consuming undercooked or raw meat.

Another inane and unsupported statement by CivGeneral.

I would cease the name calling if I were you.

You don't think mother cows are sad when their babies are stripped from them at birth to be chained in a tiny box and later turned into veal?

Who cares if they get sad, they are rased for one purpouse, to be raised for meat. Not sympathetic animals.

Animals cry out when in pain, they show obvious signs of happiness when pleased or feeling comfort. You tell yourself this because maybe you want to believe it but you know it's not true.

I dont know why you always go down that road like if youre on some sort of "guilt trip" crusade. Please, spare me the anti-meat propaganda cause I aint buying it.

 

[Kyriakos]

"Heifer whines could be human cries
Closer comes the screaming knife"

 

[GenMarshall]

No comprendos. What's muckraker?

A muckraker is an American English term for one who investigates and exposes issues of corruption that violate widely held values, such as political corruption, corporate crime, child labor, conditions in slums and prisons, unsanitary conditions in food processing plants (such as meat), fraudulent claims by manufacturers of patent medicines, labor racketeering, and similar topics. In British English however the term is applied to sensationalist scandal-mongering journalist, not driven by any social principles. - Wiki

 

[Gladi]

(and here I find myself switching sides somehow...!)

No one needs meat, not even with a heavy excercise regiment. There is more than enough vegetable sources of protein to make up for a complete lack of meat.

Having said that, it is easier to get protein from meat, especially in europe/NA

But it is about amino acids which are quite difficult to obtain just from vegetables.

This does not even begin to address the argument from human compassion.

Because you have NOOONE! You have presented no real argument, why meat-eaters are bad, or even worse than you. If you go about decrying something evil the burden of proof is on You.

 

[aneeshm]

@ CivGeneral

Please read the links I posted.

 

[Narz]

Sorry but they are fed the proper foodstuff. The statement that Cows are eating grain, soybeans, and sewage sludge is just mud raked up by liberal muckrakers.

I'm going to cease arguing with you because you're obviously not interested in honest debate.

The only illnesses they get from meat is from consuming undercooked or raw meat.

Wrong again. Some bacteria can survive cooking.

I would cease the name calling if I were you.

I didn't call you any names (like "libral muckraker" ), I just pointed out the fact that your comments were inane and unsupported.

Who cares if they get sad, they are rased for one purpouse, to be raised for meat. Not sympathetic animals.

You're a horriblely uncompassionate person. If you were alive during times of slavery there can be no doubt you would have been all for it (and thought of slaves as less than human).

I dont know why you always go down that road like if youre on some sort of "guilt trip" crusade. Please, spare me the anti-meat propaganda cause I aint buying it.

I'm not anti-meat (just anti-meathead). And if you refuse to actually look at the facts (and realize that, in fact, animals in most farms are NOT fed their natural diets but instead fed corn, soybeans, etc.) than I will cease arguing with you and chalk you up as a lost cause.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to stop eating meat if they don't want to. I just think people should be aware of where there meat comes from and choose a higher quality, healthier and more humane quality of meat if they choose to indulge.

You're the one who brought up guilt, what, do you have a guilty conscious?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

A muckraker is an American English term for one who investigates and exposes issues of corruption that violate widely held values, such as political corruption, corporate crime, child labor, conditions in slums and prisons, unsanitary conditions in food processing plants (such as meat), fraudulent claims by manufacturers of patent medicines, labor racketeering, and similar topics. In British English however the term is applied to sensationalist scandal-mongering journalist, not driven by any social principles. - Wiki

Ah. In that case nope, what I quoted wasn't muckraker material.

 

[Narz]

But it is about amino acids which are quite difficult to obtain just from vegetables.

It's plenty easy to get all of the eight essential amino acids from a vegetarian diet. Look at nutritiondata.com or fitday.com if you're concerned.

 

[GenMarshall]

@ CivGeneral

Please read the links I posted.

I did, and I don't see anything there that would change my mind. Again, I have virtually no interest in becoming a vegetarian, let alone going strict vegan. Again, I like to eat beef, pork, and poultry because they are tasty and good.

 

[aneeshm]

I did, and I don't see anything there that would change my mind. Again, I have virtually no interest in becoming a vegetarian, let alone going strict vegan. Again, I like to eat beef, pork, and poultry because they are tasty and good.

Basically, your argument, when questioned why you eat meat, boils down to:

"Just because. And I won't stop it either. Why? Just because. And is it justified? I don't care."

 

[GenMarshall]

I'm going to cease arguing with you because you're obviously not interested in honest debate.

I am interested in an honest debate. If my presentation is not acceptable...

/shrug

Wrong again. Some bacteria can survive cooking.

Nope, not wrong. Why do you think that people and the FDA recommends that you cook meat products thoroughly? Because it kills the bacteria.

I didn't call you any names (like "libral muckraker" ), I just pointed out the fact that your comments were inane and unsupported.

I never called you any names, I called the source that you presented as raked up by liberal muckrakers.

You're a horriblely uncompassionate person. If you were alive during times of slavery there can be no doubt you would have been all for it (and thought of slaves as less than human).

*Sigh* Once again you're jumping to conclusions on just because I don't care about the animals in the factories does not equate to me supporting slavery. If I was alive during the time of slavery, I would actualy support the abolition and freedom of the slaves. However this is quite irrelevant to the discussion.

And if you refuse to actually look at the facts (and realize that, in fact, animals in most farms are NOT fed their natural diets but instead fed corn, soybeans, etc.) than I will cease arguing with you and chalk you up as a lost cause.

I don't refuse to look at the so called facts. What I want to see more than just one source instead of one.

You're the one who brought up guilt, what, do you have a guilty conscious?

Nope, I dont have a guilty conscious.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I never called you any names, I called the source that you presented as raked up by liberal muckrakers.

That was my source, not Narz's

And the source was wiki by the way, amusingly the same source you used to explain muckraker to me. Funny world eh?

 

[Narz]

I don't refuse to look at the so called facts. What I want to see more than just one source instead of one.

Use Google then.

Google : "Farm Animal Feed"

First Result

I'm not here to do your homework for you. You're the one refusing to accept that farm animals are mistreated and fed improperly. This is fairly common knowledge and you're denial will inevitably be pointed out by someone else (perhaps multiple parties) by the time I wake up.

'Night.

 

[GenMarshall]

Basically, your argument, when questioned why you eat meat, boils down to:

"Just because. And I won't stop it either. Why? Just because. And is it justified? I don't care."

In a nutshell I enjoy eating meat and the justification for me for having a meat packaging plant killing them is that animals provide nurishment and food to humans.

I'm not here to do your homework for you.

/shrug then how do you expect to convince me of your argument?

You're the one refusing to accept that farm animals are mistreated and fed improperly.

IF it's true, I could care less if they are mistreated and fed improperly. They're just animals raised to be food for humans. Nothing more.

This is fairly common knowledge and you're denial will inevitably be pointed out by someone else (perhaps multiple parties) by the time I wake up.

Cheezey, is that you? Sorry, but I'm not in denial.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

/shrug then how do you expect to convince me of your argument?

By providing links like he just did, which you choose to ignore.

 

[Cu Chulainn]

The same way I justify spraying down hornet/ant nests and a host of other things that lead to dead animals. Animals die to make your life more convenient every day whether you like it or not. I assure you that the difference of animals killed to support our respective lifestyles is statistically insignificant.

 

[Narz]

I assure you that the difference of animals killed to support our respective lifestyles is statistically insignificant.

Factory farming of animals is terribly polluting and one of the largest sources of energy and water use in the country (the US anyways). Not to mention all the methane gas from cow waste and offgassing (aka : farts). Also, tons of grain and soybean crops that could be used to feed humans (or not grown at all leaving rainforests and natural ecosystems intact) are given instead to cows (which aren't meant to eat grains and/or soybeans anyways.