How is your EU3 Game going?

[Duke of Britain]

Probably, but nothing is impossible.

 

[Dachs]

So i am wrong? do you think the powers of Europe would allow say, the UK, that already owned India, to (try to) colonize China?
China was rich and populous, controlling it would mean a lot, resources and a market.

And nobody could've controlled it anyway, and rightly, nobody even tried.

Realistically, the closest any European state came to controlling China was actually Russia, which was an ace away from it from about 1850 to 1905. And nobody was working to block Russia.

 

[Duke of Britain]

And nobody could've controlled it anyway, and rightly, nobody even tried.

Just out of curiosity : Why not? I'd guess not nationalism, considering that the Manchu ruling class was not chinese, but...
Probably something about the "mandate of heaven" thing?

I do agree that it was a very hard country to conquer/control, that's why the europeans tried to get economic concessions instead of land.

Realistically, the closest any European state came to controlling China was actually Russia, which was an ace away from it from about 1850 to 1905. And nobody was working to block Russia.

And they never got to control it as well

 

[Tee Kay]

Just out of curiosity : Why not? I'd guess not nationalism, considering that the Manchu ruling class was not chinese, but...
Probably something about the "mandate of heaven" thing?

I do agree that it was a very hard country to conquer/control, that's why the europeans tried to get economic concessions instead of land.

Exactly. It took the British until 1757 to get their hands on the first bits of India of any significant size, and until the mid-19th century before India could really be considered a true British colony, by which time the Industrial Revolution was well under way.

A European army marching on Beijing at any time before the 19th century is a laughable scenario, let alone conquering any significant chuck of China and keeping it.

 

[W|M]

When exactly will Magna Mundi for DW come out?

 

[PhroX]

When exactly will Magna Mundi for DW come out?

AFAIK, never - the team is too busy with MMtG to be able to update the mod.

 

[aronnax]

It didn't have a lot of options and under the circumstances they managed the best that could reasonably have been expected of them.

The mere act of modernization destroyed the legitimacy of the state, though. Shame.

Surely, the Chinese Government didn't do the best they can do, seeing that whole classes of government strove to limit, halt or reverse attempts at industrialisation, social, economy and military reform.

Even if you just focused on the reform-minded Chinese officials, they didn't go far enough in their own principled thinking, much less their practical action. Feng Kuei-Fen felt it was only necessary to adapt European firearms and nothing else, believing the social/economic/political system of China was perfect. And he wasn't the only one.

A more successful Self-Strengthening was definitely more possible if it wasn't for the series of weak emperors, one unfortunately strong empress and half-hearted reform.

 

[hoplitejoe]

I was in the middle of a 15 year regency counsel when Milan DoW me These our old screen shots as i now own all of southern Italy.

Spoiler :

How long do the resisting westernisation events go on for?

 

[Bowsling]

I'm loving those borders in Italy! I assume that didn't last though?

 

[mechaerik]

I was in the middle of a 15 year regency counsel when Milan DoW me These our old screen shots as i now own all of southern Italy.

Spoiler :

How long do the resisting westernisation events go on for?

That's a big Bohemia. Also, what is TEAM ATTACK!? And is that Scotland or Castille in Britain and Brittany?

 

[Duke of Britain]

How long do the resisting westernisation events go on for?

Until you fully westernize, not like these events are a problem tough, -2 RR

 

[hoplitejoe]

That's a big Bohemia. Also, what is TEAM ATTACK!? And is that Scotland or Castille in Britain and Brittany?

Team attack WAS my main attack team till the got roped into to defending Italy Scotland is the one in Britain and Brittany, they only have some OPMs to wipe out to become the UK but they have been exactly like they are now for about 100 years or so.

Until you fully westernize, not like these events are a problem tough, -2 RR

How to fully westernise?

 

[Duke of Britain]

How to fully westernise?

Modernize the army, until around tech 28 or so it isn't worth to do it as Ottomans.

 

[Civ'ed]

I was in the middle of a 15 year regency counsel when Milan DoW me These our old screen shots as i now own all of southern Italy.

Spoiler :

How long do the resisting westernisation events go on for?

ULM! praise him!

 

[hoplitejoe]

Modernize the army, until around tech 28 or so it isn't worth to do it as Ottomans.

Shall I just slow down westernising then? All the Decentralised movements are taking there toll.

 

[W|M]

If you get Decentralization events, do not take the decentralization at any cost.

 

[SouthernKing]

ULM! praise him!

Huh, that is odd. I have NEVER seen a game where Ulm gets another province, I have NEVER seen a game where Ulm gets conquered, I have NEVER seen a game where Ulm even gets vassalized. Except when I do it of course

 

[Dachs]

Even if you just focused on the reform-minded Chinese officials, they didn't go far enough in their own principled thinking, much less their practical action. Feng Kuei-Fen felt it was only necessary to adapt European firearms and nothing else, believing the social/economic/political system of China was perfect. And he wasn't the only one.

He was right for the wrong reasons. The Qing Empire's social/economic/political system was not perfect - but if it had been changed (you know, just like how it was changed) the Qing Empire would not have survived. Is it reasonable to have demanded steps from these men that would have precipitated the destruction of their state? It's like berating Austrian politicians for failing to confront the Magyars with the only thing that they would respond to: military force...as though the prospect of civil war in and of itself wouldn't have destroyed the Habsburg monarchy anyway.

 

[hoplitejoe]

Spoiler :

Fully westernised, it is about 1700 and I am running out of things to do. What next?

 

[Bowsling]

An epic showdown with Bohemia.