How will you feel if Obama wins a second term?

How will a second Obama term make you feel?

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Based on Mitt's recent comments, I'd probably be 'pleased' but not really 'happy' because I think we deserve higher quality candidates. I feel the GOP could have picked better, and in some ways I think the incumbent party should still run some opposition to keep the President more honest. And I really don't see a believable third party option.
 
GoodGame said:
Based on Mitt's recent comments, I'd probably be 'pleased' but not really 'happy' because I think we deserve higher quality candidates. I feel the GOP could have picked better, and in some ways I think the incumbent party should still run some opposition to keep the President more honest. And I really don't see a believable third party option.
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Vote for Gary Johnson anyway, and show both parties they have to actually court the liberty-minded in order to ensure victory.
 
I really hope that Libertarians eventually supplant the GOP.

Libertarians vs Democrats in a final political battle over real issues instead of penis usage guidelines.
 
GhostWriter16 said:
Huh?
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Don't know what a prisoner's dilemma is?


So you guys have the same stuff in regards to surveilance, you would just argue that your country doesn't abuse it while ours does? That technically requires evidence, although it wouldn't surprise me.

Its not just "Higher airport security." I'm not suggesting that it should necessarily be as easy to get onto an airplane as it is to get on a train (I think the free-market should determine that though, not the government). But the TSA acts in ways in this country that would get them arrested in any sane country (Whether there are any I don't know.) Warrantless pat downs, even on little children and old women (Yes, it happens, I've researched it), scanners that almost might as well just be strip searches, and even arbitrary stoppings based on political dissidence (They stopped Ron Paul's family for crying out loud, because the 77 year old politcian and his wife "Migth be a threat to Mitt Romney", look it up.)

Maybe your country is better than mine in those regards. If so, congratulations. Now think about why maybe "Evil government" gets thrown around in the US so much more.
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Sooo you are saying that regardless of individual power and a continent-spanning free market system with its according liberal (terminologically liberal) view of crime & punishment (which you are suffering under btw) enjoy less liberties than us social liberal hippies over here? You know what, I'm not surprised.

I think your error is that you treat government as a single-coined entity - no two governments are the same, and there's a difference in design. I enjoy mine being powerful because even with a lot of reach, it can't get out of hand. I think that you designed your government wrongly and on the wrong humanitarian values. The interests of your government are to maintain itself, maintain its private sector and... Well, that's it. Because you people don't want its dirty hands into your house. So you don't want the government to maintain you. Again, I'm not surprised such kinds of governmental indifference eventually happens to the citizens of such a government. If you want it to care about you, why do you want it to care about you?

Also, I think the reason your government is "abusing its power" is because of some ordeal that happened around 9/11 11 years ago, and if it was my country it happened to, I'd be happy to have my government increase airport security.

Stop being so pissy about being protected by a powerful entity. Start being practical about it and give up on your crazy idealism.

Its not ridiculous at all, its common sense.
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Common sense is pragmatic, not moralist nonsense which you seem to enjoy.

Common sense dictates that two hundred people voting for five people to redistribute their wealth amongst the other hundred and ninety five is still theft. Its amazing that only American Libertarians and a few smaller government conservatives can understand this very simple concept.
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this is, again, propagandist nonsense, but for the sake of my upcoming argument i'll go with it sure i'm a dirty thief

The thing is, you don't care, because allegedly it makes life better. There is still absolutely no basis for it.
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Except Scandinavian median living standards are among the best in the world, even better than American living standards at that, and there's plenty of basis for it because the social sciences research this stuff all the damn time. If you could get out of the hole you get these strange idealist ramblings and out in the real world with real statistics and read the statistics and not state "I don't care because my worldly distant idealistic nonsense renders me oblivious to what is actually happening", you would realize that preaching "theft!" against a simple redistribution system is like a Christian fanatic pointing at a gay guy yelling "devil!"

At least admit that, yes, you are supporting theft, but that you think its necessary on pragmatic grounds. But don't claim that it isn't theft, because that's exactly what it is.
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And you know that this has been debunked several times, right? That taxating is stealing? But that's not to matter as i said before, i'm a thief, apparently. For the sake of this argument. I'm a thief. I'm living in a nation of thieves which enjoy themselves much more than your nation of shiny examplaries of liberal moral honor. I don't care about your brand, 'thief'; even if it wasn't nonsensical, apparently you seem to be willing to attribute 'thief' to a good system. A state of thieves is apparently a good state because it treats its people better than non-thief states (Or at least, with our higher taxes, than people less thievy than us). So seriously, by "admitting" I'm a thief, I basically just give in to you who are really into convincing me theft is a good practical solution to poverty etc. I'm actually a thief? Yes! That makes me a good person!

It reminds me of the other thread where you seemed all smug when stating you weren't wearing a bike helment because people don't force you to it. Sure, it might somewhere be unethical to force people to do that, but at least it prevents people like you from being retards with their lives.

And pragmatism is not necessary, it's just better. The difference between you and me is that you seem to hold some vague ideas up in front of you; for example, you're into "freedom" and "liberty" and "individuality" and "free market". Two of these terms have been used as slanderous propaganda throughout history by practically every nation when defending a state's integrity against another power, regardless of that state's actual political design (Pericles' Athens come to mind). The other two were first coined as "good ideas" around 300 years ago where the terms were only applicable under a despotic nepotist monarchic state. Do you know why American political speeches are stupid? Because they include these ideas all the time, "let's defend our freedom" etc, and keep the political sphere away from the real issues that happen next to you - empoverished population, nepotist lobbyist megabusinesses and - surprise - a stale political environment.

How do you preach better when arguing your political stance? Throw in a few buzzwords. "This is the democratic solution. This will make us free."

Contrary to you, I understand that these ideas are in themselves meaningless and not only do you have to compromise on them (ie anarchy never going to ensure personal liberty) you actually have to value real-world pragmatic issues first if you're ever going to be happy.
 
It reminds me of the other thread where you seemed all smug when stating you weren't wearing a bike helment because people don't force you to it. Sure, it might somewhere be unethical to force people to do that, but at least it prevents people like you from being retards with their lives.
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This essentially sums up your worldview. You want the government to keep you safe even if it means that it also controls you. I want the government to protect me from others and that's it. Your worldview is ideologically opposed to mine, and that of most Americans.

Honestly, I don't see the difference between "Redistribution" and "Theft." It doesn't exist. You just like it because it makes YOUR life better. Truth be told, it would also improve mine. I am still firmly opposed.

Also, I think the reason your government is "abusing its power" is because of some ordeal that happened around 9/11 11 years ago, and if it was my country it happened to, I'd be happy to have my government increase airport security.
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That's great, some of us want our freedom (If you want to talk about the TSA, please do ten minutes of research on its abuses. You had darn right better not tell me they are anything but a band of criminals again once you are done.)
 
Worldview? Government controlling me? What? :lol:

Our people are enjoying a much higher median living standard than Americans and we're free to do more things.

I could easily trade that for needing to wear a biking a helmet.

It's good to see you're youthful and dedicated to a cause, seemingly an adolization of Randian laissez faire perhaps?, but I still hope, for the sake of your country, that you'll learn as you grow.

edit:again, you misunderstand my point completely by attributing my position to some kind of ethics. im arguing for things that work, not free ponies (:mischief:)
 
GhostWriter16 said:
I don't see why anyone is voting for one of the big two this year. The whole "Lesser of two evils" thing really needs to be thrown in Hell where it belongs.

Johnson 2012!!!:)
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Absolute rubbish. With the way the system is you have to work with the system you've got. There will rarely be a candidate that will be 100% to your liking, so either suck it up or you will allow the one you least want to get in to be president.
 
Might as well be bright-eyed and idealistic when you can't vote in this election. :dunno:
 
History_Buff said:
Shame those two ideas are incompatible. The only reason the Confederacy existed was to preserve slavery.
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Well, I know this is true.

But I do feel sorry for, and associate myself with, the average man caught up in a situation which was none of his doing. The average confederate soldier (and all other soldiers for that matter) was born in a Southern State where the accepted prevalent way of life was such as it was. The pressure to conform in a time of crisis is immense. How many people would say to themselves "well honestly this slavery business stinks, so I shall refuse to fight to defend it" ? More likely we accept the status quo because that's all we know. And go along with what everyone else is doing.

The overwhelming majority of people are not, you see, the movers and shakers of the world.

Just because someone finds themselves on the losing side through an accident of birth, doesn't mean they should be dismissed out of hand.
 
Aleksey_aka_al said:
Extremely happy, because it will show that the U.S. government is corrupt to the point of no hope.
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How can the outcome of an election show something about the government? Oh, right, you're a Putin supporter, of course you don't know the difference between the two.
 
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