In Which we Discuss Avatars and Custom User Titles IV

[ainwood]

Moderator Action: Stop with the sexually-related content.

 

[Firestorm94]

< keeping this until Pentecost.

 

[Abaddon]

Hmm. how can I upgrade the rex again?

 

[Mowque]

Hmm. how can I upgrade the rex again?

More flames?

 

[Mise]

Those are flames? They look like a maple leaf

 

[Godwynn]

Hmm. how can I upgrade the rex again?

It needs some color.

 

[Abaddon]

It is a maple leaf. Just part of a running "in-joke" we have going in the NES forum.

Colour is a definite idea.

 

[Firestorm94]

It is a maple leaf. Just part of a running "in-joke" we have going in the NES forum.

Colour is a definite idea.

make it green!

 

[Dachs]

The Civil War began on April 12, so I switched to a Sam Grant av.

 

[generalstaff]

How about 'vicious Arab-murdering scumbag'? Because that's what Djemal was.

Same could be said about about every almost US president in the last 40+ years.

 

[Mad Man]

I just changed my avatar and title to a 300 immortal.

 

[Dachs]

Same could be said about about every almost US president in the last 40+ years.

The difference between 'ineffectually intervening in a state's foreign affairs' and 'willfully ordering the mass murder of persons based on their ethnicity' is a large gulf indeed.

 

[generalstaff]

The difference between 'ineffectually intervening in a state's foreign affairs' and 'willfully ordering the mass murder of persons based on their ethnicity' is a large gulf indeed.

Our current policies in the Middle East are racialized in rhetoric. I reluctantly use the term "racialized," since there is no distinction between "Arab" and "Muslim" in current political discussion, which makes labeling this whole messing difficult. Of course, the most infamous Middle East policy, unconditional support of Israel, falls in between the two ends of the spectrum you mention.

Jemal Pasha's (in reference to the av.) atrocities against Arabs was aimed at nationalists, dissidents, etc., which was basic political repression, which is a common aspect of authoritarian regimes, especially in times of crisis. Not excusing, but placing it in the right category. The willingful mass murder falls into Abdul Hamid II, with the Armenian massacres (the event labeled as the "Armenian Genocide" was during WWI to prevent confusion; if I am mixing the labeling of the two events up, then I will admit I am wrong) and possible the forced migration committed by Greece and Turkey in the early 1920s.

 

[Dachs]

Jemal Pasha's (in reference to the av.) atrocities against Arabs was aimed at nationalists, dissidents, etc., which was basic political repression, which is a common aspect of authoritarian regimes, especially in times of crisis. Not excusing, but placing it in the right category. The willingful mass murder falls into Abdul Hamid II, with the Armenian massacres (the event labeled as the "Armenian Genocide" was during WWI to prevent confusion; if I am mixing the labeling of the two events up, then I will admit I am wrong) and possible the forced migration committed by Greece and Turkey in the early 1920s.

Well, Abdulhamid wasn't the only dude who had the Armenians massacred, but he's the easiest to prove. As for Djemal, he definitely branched out from just political repression in 1916, for which he was later charged by the Ottoman government and forced to flee into Central Asian exile. I'm not clear on the specifics, but my impression has always been that he carried the normal political repression inherent in oldschool regimes to excess, based on ethnic lines.

 

[generalstaff]

Well, Abdulhamid wasn't the only dude who had the Armenians massacred, but he's the easiest to prove.

Agreed, mainly because Abdul Hamid spoke openly about it. The WWI Armenian massacres/genocide is a real problem to define due to political repression before and a declaration of holy war by the Patriarch of the Armenian Orthodox (who is in Russia). There are also the forced marches and mutual killings resulting from the holy war declaration (I believe that these were mainly Kurds vs. Armenians).

As for Djemal, he definitely branched out from just political repression in 1916, for which he was later charged by the Ottoman government and forced to flee into Central Asian exile. I'm not clear on the specifics, but my impression has always been that he carried the normal political repression inherent in oldschool regimes to excess, based on ethnic lines.

I get the specifics confused with Envar, mainly because both were assassinated. I get them confused since both were involved in political repression, both had issues with Ataturk after WWI and I forget if Jemal was a believer in Pan Turkism (I remember that Envar was).

The repression was normal for an authoritarian regime, especially for that period. The problem with defining it on "ethnic lines" is involving the state of the Ottoman Empire. Before the Young Turks, Abdul Hamid abandoned Ottomanism in exchange for trying to define nationalism along Islam. The issues the Young Turks had was modernizing the military, finding a way to deal with nationalists, and define what a "Turk" was. Late Ottoman/early Turkish history is difficult to decipher due to the curve ball of nationalism.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Working with pre-sentient algorithms.

 

[Abaddon]

I just changed my avatar and title to a 300 immortal.

Could have at least waiting til post count 300

 

[Mad Man]

Could have at least waiting til post count 300

I would have gotten there already if I haven't given up the Internet for lent.

 

[Miles Teg]

Then you should have waited.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

New theme, to reflect my tastes at the present.

This is the full picture of my avatar, which is cropped. She's actually a lot prettier than the avatar lets on.