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Iraq Attacks Kills Dozens, Wounds Over 100 In Several Cities

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by FriendlyFire, Apr 15, 2013.

  1. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    Here's a thought. Why not post about Boston in the actually thread for that?

    Or is this some wierd ego-driven thing you feel compelled to do to make some kind of point only known to you?

    I'm betting the latter.
     
  2. Neomega

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    Please, tell me more. I am interested in what you have to say about my intentions.
     
  3. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    No your right, its actually safer in Iraq, especially the large numbers of police being killed. (20.5% in 2012) That's even less civilians deaths Patroklos! :lol:
    In seriousness though given that the murder rate is 400% the rate in Australia, the US dose a have a serious murder problem especially Chicago.
     
  4. Patroklos

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    I note your lack of link :)

    I of course provided one, your numbers don't add up. All ISF deaths for 2010 amounted to around 470 ( http://www.icasualties.org/iraq/IraqiDeaths.aspx ). I assume you are not about to claim that the number for 2012 was more than that, so that's your upper liming.

    So if you are maintaining that 20.5% of police were killed in 2012, you are insinuating you believe the entire ISF consists no more than 2350 personnel. Perhaps you would like to rethink your post?

    Just so you understand the numbers we are playing with, the Interior Ministry's police forces alone numbered 25,000 in 2007. The FPS (Facilities Protection Serive), basically police officers specifically assigned to protect critical buildings and infrastructure, account for another 17,000 personnel at the federal level alone. These are just two of the federal level forces, there are more at that level and others at lower levels.

    They do include such attacks. Interestingly the 160K deaths from the US occupation does include crime deaths, so even that number is not representative of deaths specifically linked to the war.
     
  5. Goodfella

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    (also directed to others who have discussed homicides in this thread.)
    The problem with using homicides to compare countries like the US to Iraq is that it kind of ignores the psychological effect of civilians (women, children, old men, people who didn't do anything to anyone) having their body parts blown all of the place. Urban crime, though terrible, isn't quite the same. Terrorism is of a different nature and is therefore much more frightening especially when you realize that most of the homicide victims are 20-30 year old men with criminal records. For most people, the probability of being murdered is like 4x10^-6. Suicide bombings are quite different.
     
  6. FriendlyFire

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    But Patroklos this is good news, as increasing numbers of police are being killed less civilians (as a percentage) are being killed.
    ( At least its not getting worse, which is kinda something )
     
  7. Patroklos

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    I am assuming there is a language barrier issue here, because what it appeared you said earlier was that 20 ofpolice were being killed. I see now that you are saying 20% of murders in Iraq are of police officers.

    Which is entirely irrelevant. And non-military police are civilians though I understand the circumstances warrant separations in some cases.
     
  8. FriendlyFire

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    Fixed for the NYTs

    Patroklos things arent as bad as some of us imagine especially compared with 2006 when General Petraues said Iraq was on the verge of collapse, but nor is it as safe either. Lets just settle on that.
     
  9. Neomega

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    at least 4573 killed by violence last year in Iraq

    4 573 / 31 000 000 = 0.00015 Iraq

    14748 homicides in the United States in 2012

    14748 / 350 000 000 = 0.000042 United States

    Iraq has over three times the deaths per capita.
     
  10. MobBoss

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    Fwiw, the wiki on it gives the USA a higher rate than Iraq. Data is from the UN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    4.8 per 100,000 for the USA.

    2.0 per 100,000 for Iraq.
     
  11. FriendlyFire

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    Wow even hell holes like Palestine, Afghanistan, Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, Sri Lanka, Libya are safer then the USA.
    Then you look at the USA compared with first world countries and the reason is obvious.

     
  12. Bugfatty300

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    Because those countries have tough gun laws?
     
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    Notably, Chicago has tons of gun control. Massachusettes probably does to. Somewhat surprisingly to gun control advocates, New Hampshire's murder rate is much, much less than that of New York State.
     
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