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Iraq protests

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Socrates99, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    Well, NATO allies can be pretty irked that they weren't given real heads-up that Trump was going to muddle the picture more. I don't know how much defense Canada's state department could have done to reduce risks to their citizens, but ...
     
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    You are aware that some American-based religious groups have pushed for (and gotten passed) some severe anti-LGBTQ laws in African nations? I believe in at least one country they were even able to pass the death penalty against gay men.

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    Today it was revealed that the US attempted but failed to assassinate another Iranian Quds Force leader inside Yemen at the same time as Suleimani.
     
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  3. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    Yes, I know these things. It's odious, but it's not 'America'. It's Americans, sure. But the only real government support they get is the tax write off.
     
  4. Estebonrober

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    National Prayer Breakfast go!
     
  5. FriendlyFire

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    Here we go again

     
  6. Truthy

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    @hobbsyoyo (and anyone else interested) Jack Goldsmith was on Preet Bharara's podcast "Stay Tuned" a few days ago and had interesting comments on the legality of the Soleimani strike (in short: he thinks it was totally legal). He also talked about his Jimmy Hoffa book like we talked about a few weeks ago in the movies thread.
     
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  7. hobbsyoyo

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    Thank you for the recommendation. I'm always short of good podcasts to listen to on bike rides and walks so I'll check it out!
     
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    Did I also forget to mention that Bin Laden was a CIA asset during the war in Afghanistan vs the Soviet and also in the Balkan wars?
     
  9. Truthy

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    No he wasn't. See Steve Coll's book "Ghost Wars."
     
  10. EnglishEdward

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    The Iranian government appears to have owned up to that.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621

     
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    Actually, while Saudi Arabia of course has one of the worst LGBTQ rights record on the planet, it's significantly better than Iran in that regard. Gay people usually get prison sentences when caught, some might get lashes. But there are no recorded cases of someone being executed just for homosexuality in the kingdom, unlike Iran, where they abound.

    As for Christians, while they are still second class citizens in Iran, they are indeed tolerated. The religious minorities that are persecuted furiously are those deemed to be "polytheistic", such as a the Baha'i. They are treated like animals.

    Don't be disingenuous. Iran denied flat out that any responsibility on their part was even "scientifically possible" (their exact words). They bulldozed the site and tried to hide all evidence for as long as they could. Only when overwhelming evidence was presented by multiple foreign governments and their guilt was already established beyond any shadow od doubt did they start changing the tune.
     
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    I think you are underestimating the hegemonic position the US is in. Bush destroyed a lot of the US' reputation in the same way (starting an illegal war, literally kidnapping people from its allies countries, operating black sites, etc.], and it was all easily restored by Obama – not through efforts, which he also did do – but merely for not being Bush. Whoever replaces Trump will find it just as easy.

    Unless the EU steps up to create an alternative hegemon, the position of the US is too powerful to be dragged down by a bit of wrecked reputation.

    Assad has his part of the blame, yes. To some extent Russia, Turkey and the US, too. But without Iran Assad would not have been able to hold on, and the civil war would have ended much better.

    Putting the blame for half a million dead on Assad and Iran isn't only my understanding. It's also the genereal consensus among Arab and Muslim activists and human rights advocates.

    Not if one cripples Iran's grip while violating the Iraqi sovereignty. Have you noticed how some of the militias have spoken out of line with the Iranian message lately?

    Killing people can be plenty useful. Whether its ethical or moral or political or strategical all depends on the context.
     
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    It's good they finally owned up to it. Guess we have one more member in the «We only kind of did it, and it wasn't really our fault» club, together with the Soviet Union, the United States, and Russia... Airliners really need to be more prudent on where they put their flight paths, I think.

    Now if Iran could also release those who were arrested after taking pictures of the event and aftermath...
     
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    Respect to Iran for owning up to their mistake.
     
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    resident Donald Trump privately told associates that his upcoming impeachment trial factored heavily into his decision to kill top Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, The Wall Street Journal reports.

    “Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate,” associates of the president told the outlet.

    https://www.salon.com/2020/01/10/tr...ssure-from-upcoming-impeachment-trial-report/


    Wag that dog!

    Also is President Trump responsible for killing 63 Canadians? He started this whole cycle of escalation. Does he hold any responsibility? Or is it only the trigger man in Tehran?
     
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    Answer = NO
     
  18. hobbsyoyo

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    And countries need to be more responsible for controlling and shutting down their airspace in times of conflict.
     
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    Only if President Obama is responsible for 500,000 deaths in Syria.

    In other words: no.
     
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    What?
     
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