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I'm surprised you didn't ragequit. A lot of players would've if they were kicked out of their only territory within two turns and sent across t he world.
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I'm surprised you didn't ragequit. A lot of players would've if they were kicked out of their only territory within two turns and sent across t he world.
@ Joe: The funny thing about that exercise we went through in trying to avoid war by divesting tons of territory was that it forced us to think about what we really wanted, territory wise.
While Medina has said he was on the fence about which side to choose, he was quite friendly with us through the whole affair, and we planned with him ways to keep control of the lands we could do without out of enemy hands. While it might have been gamy to transfer the land, we would have otherwise stripped the land of all factories and left them wastes that were really no good to anyone. The transfer kept the land away from you and in somewhat friendly hands, but at the same time reduced our liability for attack.
Seeing as you had more than twice the possible armies to use against us, and three times the IC, we needed to do everything we could to distract and diffuse your attacks.
I’m glad that tactic worked and left your 122 armies moot.
Well, I consider it gamey in that I could have done the same thing to prevent you guys from flipping my territory, by giving it all to Canada, save for my capitol. That way, I would have been impenetrable!
But whatever, you did what you needed to do to win
ORLY?
Well, BSmith did give me a scare when he threatened to invade, since at the time you guys were massive.
You were one of the people I planned on contacting originally, but I thought it too risky because you seemed pretty pro-Accord, and would have probably spilled the entire plan.
Would have been pretty neat if you joined though
arya126
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Prospo Britain was very close to taking you down once and for all. if only Xian had held up their end of the deal, britain would have owned tartary, and have invaded you the next turn. Thats also why I invested in Siberia. I needed a land route to hit you from.
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I know that arya, I read the entire Accord sub-group which detailed, amongst other things, your plans to invade me. Also I enjoyed the bashing of my first attempt at IOT (looking at you gamezrulez 
) at the beginning.
Ragequitting is for stupid people. Besides, I did ending up winning the game.
) at the beginning.Sonereal said:
Ragequitting is for stupid people. Besides, I did ending up winning the game.
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The fact you survived as a GIE means you did well. *+2 points*
Joe, you should have stuck with the Accord and attacked the UNA. Seriously, F/S and ATK IC were almost equal at the time of the DOW, where UNA IC was literally twice yours. I have absolutely no idea how you ever thought you would end up with the better end of the deal...
Prospo, virtually everybody has wanted to take Yakutsk at some point in time, just nobody ever got around to it!
I even offered it to Russia in exchange for them recognizing French claims over all of Germany. (before I went schizo and offered peace)
Prospo, virtually everybody has wanted to take Yakutsk at some point in time, just nobody ever got around to it!
I even offered it to Russia in exchange for them recognizing French claims over all of Germany. (before I went schizo and offered peace)
Reading through some of the alliance threads, I am still amazed at your heavy reliance on navies. If you had not invested so much in navies, and instead based your forces in our hemisphere, it would have been a very different war. Hell, you didn’t even use Libya AT ALL, and left him alone with 9 armies to defend himself. That was 60 factories immediately to me and no real way to counter-attack. Same with Gabon/Cameroon. Nothing there at all.
You felt that you needed to control the seas, but that meant having overwhelming force in all sea provinces around us. All we needed to do was to punch a hole in one of those provinces, and the rest would have been wasted. It almost happened too, the Indian Ocean battle was super close (and would have resulted in an invaded Australia had it gone my way, not to mention me keeping 4 of my provinces) and we did win the N Atlantic battle, but it was deemed to be not strong enough of a win (even though it was stronger than the Indian Ocean battle) to let our invasion go through to New England.
That and espionage opened up new fronts without the need for navies at all – and you guys clearly knew about that possibility as you discussed doing that to us before the war even started.
Navies are expensive and took away from supplies and armies you could have really used.
You felt that you needed to control the seas, but that meant having overwhelming force in all sea provinces around us. All we needed to do was to punch a hole in one of those provinces, and the rest would have been wasted. It almost happened too, the Indian Ocean battle was super close (and would have resulted in an invaded Australia had it gone my way, not to mention me keeping 4 of my provinces) and we did win the N Atlantic battle, but it was deemed to be not strong enough of a win (even though it was stronger than the Indian Ocean battle) to let our invasion go through to New England.
That and espionage opened up new fronts without the need for navies at all – and you guys clearly knew about that possibility as you discussed doing that to us before the war even started.
Navies are expensive and took away from supplies and armies you could have really used.
Nah, cause then you would have just gobbled us up after you took all of the Americas. You were going for world domination
Also, by allying with them, after the war I would have had hegemony over all of Eurasia. Our plans were to keep you two alive as vassal states, create a new West African state, and divide the rest of the territory from there. I would have nabbed a lot of it, along with Double A and Mango, while each of the American states might of got a territory or two.
From there, with our massive economies, we would have bought everyone on our continents to our side, including you two. By that time, we would have the largest alliance in the world, and should have been easily able to curbstomp the UNA.
Prospo, virtually everybody has wanted to take Yakutsk at some point in time, just nobody ever got around to it!
Haha, even we briefly discussed it
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
What about Medina?
It seems like just about everyone was planning world domination.
Except Medina, of course. We only wanted MUSLIM world domination.
It seems like just about everyone was planning world domination.
Except Medina, of course. We only wanted MUSLIM world domination.
To be perfectly honest, we didn't think we could actually send troops there without controlling the adjacent sea, even if we were their allies. Could we? It doesn't exactly make that much sense...
Well, if we didn't do that, then you get a free pass to invade someone without us being able to do anything about it. What were you expecting?
Well, yeah. We discussed making your provinces revolt against you, lowering your stability, doing other things like that, and stealing your IC to give us an easier time to invade. Flipping provinces on the other side of the world didn't occur to us until you flipped Shanghai, nor did that you would have the ability to put 30 armies in a city on the other side of the world that you gained by flipping (seriously? There really needs to be at least some logic as to how some army managed to get somewhere, they can't just magically teleport anywhere they want!). It's really stupid and gamey to randomly flip a territory like that and then put a huge army there, and how the hell are we supposed to counter that? By doing the same? That just means that the game when everyone has this much espionage devolves into "Territories randomly flip due to spies every turn and attacks from randomly flipped territories," which is completely silly.
Actually, most of us had enough IC to handle it. Siam, Xi'an, and I all had enough IC to build our entire militaries in one turn and give them 500% supply bonuses. Where we went wrong was the exact ratio we needed of navies and armies to win and where they needed to be.
And you certainly out-tacticed us, even if some of them were cheap, and I'm glad at how great you were at coming up with maps and pictures and stuff for the updates. I probably would have if I had enough time to, and even I usually put up a paragraph or two and occasionally a picture.
Even so, we still almost won the battle of France, and the RNG completely screwed us over. Had we been a bit more intelligent and just decided to focus all our efforts on taking France out instead of wasting time in North Africa, we would have won easily and Germany would have kept control of its territories, giving us a huge edge.
Nah, cause then you would have just gobbled us up after you took all of the Americas. You were going for world domination
Funnily enough, we probably would have left you alone if we weren't so certain you were also going for world domination.
After that, we probably would have been fine to just sit back and attain a Science/IC victory.
Oh please, you didn't think we'd let you beat us to Western Europe and North Africa, did you? Plus, we would have just conquered all the leftovers completely to deny you the opportunity to give you those vassals. We had plans for that. Besides, GamezRule is right, we had so much more IC than you it isn't even funny.
Haha, even we briefly discussed it
I'm betting the only reason the PA didn't attack Yakutsk was that California and I killed them all too fast.
We probably could have attacked it at some point, but we didn't see much point in it.
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
GM: This is brilliant feedback, the likelihood of province flips is now be virtually eliminated in IB2, where you can only flip a province if you have a core in it already, and getting cores will be even harder. We have learnt a lot from this game and the fact that it lasted over months is testament to how good it was already.
We are slowly working on the new version IB2 and virtually all the concerns raised being addressed.
We are slowly working on the new version IB2 and virtually all the concerns raised being addressed.
Oh please, you didn't think we'd let you beat us to Western Europe and North Africa, did you? Plus, we would have just conquered all the leftovers completely to deny you the opportunity to give you those vassals. We had plans for that. Besides, GamezRule is right, we had so much more IC than you it isn't even funny.
You've got to think into the future choxorn, not just the present time.
This is how I envisioned the future would go after the successful destruction of France and Swaziland.Basically, we would keep the two alive as vassals (to humiliate them
), one would go under UNA control, the other, ATK. From there I would petition that everyone who participated in the war would get one territory as "loot". I would nab a territory in Europe to keep an eye on it, everyone else would probably just take an African territory. From there, we would either create some new states, or divide the rest amongst the person who conquered it, closest to it, or whatever made the borders look neat. Of course, right off the bat, the UNA would be then the sole power bloc in the entire world. I didn't predict you would do much though, probably sit back and tech (as you had been doing the entire game).At that point, Siam and I had reached our maximum factory level, and with nothing to spend IC on, we would put it into "economic recovery" gifts to all the minor nations in Asia, Africa, and Europe. By getting our gifts, they would have to join our alliance, which would be called the league er something like that. This of course, would be secret, like all our endeavors. From there, with every nation on our side of the world on our side, and building up their industry, our province count would be higher than yours (the UNA), and with maximum industry, we would have a higher IC count. Then we would invade
Mind you, this wouldn't take very long to do. With Siam and I's absurdly high IC, combined with the already pretty developed provinces on the continent, it should only take a couple turns to be able to max every province on our side, and get them all in our alliance. And of course, then we would finish off the game with a delicious invasion of America, and world dominance. Fun stuff
EDIT: In fact, dunno if I posted this in our group or not, but I was planning on starting a conflict within the UNA to make our job that much easier, like a civil war of some sorts. We would either bribe a couple nations to declare war, or even better, frame a couple and make them out as traitors through clever spy work (Double A is damn good a forging PM's). This would cause the UNA to fight itself, weakening it, while we sat back either industrializing, or attacking right at the last moment. Once again, fun stuff
kiwitt
Road to War Modder
Joe, add this link to your sig.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10773028&postcount=2546
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10773028&postcount=2546
m'kay
I'm also debating whether or not to add the wiki. It seems to be rather dead, but if fixed up, could be a great chronicle of the events in this game.
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