Interesting complaint, given how one of the most valid criticisms (imho) made towards EU in this thread was how difficult it is to initiate a reversal of its acquis...
Is Britain about to leave the EU?
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I suppose that's in the same vein as Johnson's earlier 'the EU is like Napoleon and Hitler' - neither of which conquered Britain AFAIK, but then I'm neither Mr Johnson nor blond.
Claims from both sides still seem to be entirely lacking in nuance.
God save the Queen.
So, after weeks spent poo-pooing any economic claim he doesn't like, suddenly Boris knows for certain that our EU bill will increase, based on presumably nothing at all, yet he dismisses Vote Remain as "desperate stuff from an increasingly desperate campaign"?
Far be it from me to defend a Tory, but if anyone at all should be rambling about the economy, it should be the Chancellor of the Exchequer, no?
Far be it from me to defend a Tory, but if anyone at all should be rambling about the economy, it should be the Chancellor of the Exchequer, no?
If by ‘rambling’ you mean that thing which replaces carefully thought-out, informed discussion, then yes!
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Both camps are being equally disingenuous and misleading, basically talking about death and disaster of biblical proportions if you vote for the other side. Pretty much as it was during the Scottish independence referendum. Don't expect much sense if you're going to look for the most populist argument on either side.
Not when the Chancellor is Osborne.
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This is the real reason why the EU must be disbanded. Its powers that be, the people who occupy offices related to it, weather in Brussels or in the member countries, are so tightly clung to the power the EU grants them that they will piss all over democracy rather than see any of the EU's existing powers and regulations rolled back. To allow those powers to be rolled back cuts into the power of all these office-holders.
We had democratic control over governments in Europe. We no longer have it: the national budgets must follow EU rules, the banking system is used to blackmail countries, people's vote in referendums is ignored (the "EU constitution reintroduced as the Lisbon Treaty being the latest example). None of the powers that have already been claimed by the EU as treaties are added to without democratic validation on each step has any chance of being rolled back within the framework of the EU. Only by leaving, by disbanding it and restarting anew, can set of treaties that actually benefits all those countries that wish to enter into them replace this rotting edifice kept on now solely by fear.
Governments now shrug when their citizens confront them with lack of potions, or failure to implement electors promises: "the EU won't allow it", they'll say.
Werther or not this is true can be argued. My take is that it is true for the smaller countries, it is not for the largest: this week Jucker said that France does not risk sanctions over its budget deficit "because it is France". Spain and Portugal are being threatened daily with such sanctions...
But even in those countries where the EU's rules can be bent, it still is effectively used as an excuse to suppress accountability by governments to its electors. This is the way democracy, even the belief in democracy, dies in Europe. It must be stopped. Or it will get bloody once frustration mounts enough. That we know because we have centuries of history to prove that the EU cannot be the "end of history", however much those who are currently in power thanks to it may wish so.
They do, but the bookies still don't. My money's on them.
It will change with every poll as you have a large number of undecided voters as well as ‘shy’ voters whoa re being shamed into pretending they haven't decided because both campaigns are bunch of condescending, name-calling idiots.
For me it's too close to call and, at this point, it is a bit of a pick your poison scenario. Either way there will be trouble, because the politicians in charge of the UK are still a disaster. This referendum is a convenient distraction from facts that point to the core being rotten at home, including such problems as parliament not being representative at all, there being no constitution, the unelected Lords actually being saner than the Commons, structural racism, drug abuse, etc. etc. that are being pushed under the carpet.
For me it's too close to call and, at this point, it is a bit of a pick your poison scenario. Either way there will be trouble, because the politicians in charge of the UK are still a disaster. This referendum is a convenient distraction from facts that point to the core being rotten at home, including such problems as parliament not being representative at all, there being no constitution, the unelected Lords actually being saner than the Commons, structural racism, drug abuse, etc. etc. that are being pushed under the carpet.
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If the trend goes to Leave, they will have to bring the queen to say something to keep the subjects in line
I doubt the queen has much love wasted on the EU.
The empire ended on her watch. I don't think she wants to witness the kingdom ending also.
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You are either a sovereign country, or are not. If you are not, you're a province of something bigger. And we all know that is what the EU aims for.
So, by your logic, King Philippe of Belgium, King Harald of Denmark, King Carl Gustaf of Sweden, King Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands and King Felipe of Spain are also no longer monarchs of their respective countries. Has anyone told them?
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