Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[AdrienIer]

The EU is designed explicitly to benefit the market at the expense of most people.

You keep making such comments without anything to back them up. That's what Akka meant by your "slogans" I think. If you don't explain more (as in, give arguments as to why you think that's true or at least counter the arguments that we give you to persuade you of the opposite) this is never going to get anywhere.

Edit : Ah Akka has already said something similar to my post, sorry for the redundancy.

 

[Arakhor]

Corbyn was a great admirer of Hugo Chavez, all the way to the death of the dictator. I guess if Britons like the idea of having to fight for food and toilet paper, they should vote for him.

We're already wading through unsubstantiated comments of various kinds. Could you avoid adding yet another strain?

 

[Lohrenswald]

Again a slogan devoid of content or argument. You'll soon sound like Kyriakos. Care to add some actual substance to back up your claim ?

You keep demanding more from me than you give yourself.

surely you have heard about the four freedoms?

 

[Takhisis]

Why ? He was the one starting this whole referendum stupidity as a trick just to keep being elected. He brought everything out of political shenanigan. He gets no pity from me.

I think I've stated often enough that David Cameron is an absolutely incompetent ruler who really believes in spillover economics and the superiority of his caste. And yet I felt sorry for him, in spite of myself.

Considering the amount of politicians and even regular voters who were pro-Leave but who appeared surprised and dismayed by the Leave victory, I'd say the whole affair seems to have been thought as some yet another contest in hypocrisy and rhetorical populism, with lots of claims to appear as a champion of the people, but made only because thinking it would fail and they could continue to blame the EU without changing the status quo. Basically, the same thing that Cameron did.

Well, it blew up in their faces, now they have to actually take responsability, and it's obvious none of them had any kind of actual plan about it.

They've already disowned their £350m. a month pledge to the NHS.

I think that Nigel Farage's plan was to keep losing votes by a smaller margin each time as a certain Adenoid Hinkel did in Tomainia in the 1930s.
If I didn't actually know the consequences would be terrible, I would just let the English stew under five years of a Farage-Johnson duo and let Drumpf rampage in the US.

If there is one thing to fix first in the EU, it's this habit of using EU as a scarecrow. I'm pretty sure the majority of the bad opinion it gets, is because this systematic "blame the EU" habits that politician all over the continent have when they want to avoid responsability when they take unpopular decisions - after all, again, any decision taken at the EU level, is taken by these elected officials anyway.

The EU never managed to prevent the UK from attackign Iraq or Libya.

Doesn't work. He's already committed to the Conservative Party.

Which one?

That genre of left-wing politics worked wonders for Venezuela.

Corbyn was a great admirer of Hugo Chavez, all the way to the death of the dictator. I guess if Britons like the idea of having to fight for food and toilet paper, they should vote for him.

Chávez was a piece of scum, but Corbyn did not espouse the idea of applying the same policies to the UK.

 

[luiz]

We're already wading through unsubstantiated comments of various kinds. Could you avoid adding yet another strain?

Oh so I'm making up Corbyn's enthusiastic admiration for Hugo Chavez and his policies?

Or is it not OK to criticize a political leader who openly and effusively praised a violent Caudillo whose policies utterly ruined a nation?

 

[Arakhor]

They've already disowned their £350m. a month pledge to the NHS.

It was £350m a week. I know that Farage has been quoted as saying that "it was a mistake", but he wasn't officially part of Vote Leave. Has anyone who was backed up from that lie yet?

Or is it not OK to criticize a political leader who openly and effusively praised a violent Caudillo whose policies utterly ruined a nation?

You can criticise whomever you like, but please leave out the histrionics about Britons fighting for loo roll and the like.

 

[Kyriakos]

Afaik the unions already spoke against putting Corbyn through a vote of confidence procedure. Corbyn does come across as a serious and decent person, and any alternative to him in Labour would be some blairite.

Although this isn't for now to worry about, imo. And perhaps Labour should try to not be part of the disintegration? Else they won't be able to be of any use.

 

[luiz]

Chávez was a piece of scum, but Corbyn did not espouse the idea of applying the same policies to the UK.

In fact Corbyn was a huge admirer of Chavez and thought his policies were a model for the rest of the world, including the UK.

Also, just for supporting that murderous bastard until the very end we can see that Corbyn is a piece of filth unworthy of the air he breathes.

 

[Kyriakos]

In fact Corbyn was a huge admirer of Chavez and thought his policies were a model for the rest of the world, including the UK.

Also, just for supporting that murderous bastard until the very end we can see that Corbyn is a piece of filth unworthy of the air he breathes.

Only he is no such thing. Aren't you sort of making assumptions based on your personal pathos?

Btw, the other side consists of Boris. That is the Trump of England - they are both germans as well

 

[Takhisis]

So you're advocating applying the death penalty for thoughtcrime, luiz?

 

[Akka]

You keep demanding more from me than you give yourself.

Again, I gave you a relevant strong argument explaining why the EU is actually the best bet to protect workers' rights.
So far you've only answering repeating empty and unsupported claims by eurosceptics. So no, I don't demand "more" than what I give, because I gave something factual while you didn't.

 

[luiz]

You can criticise whomever you like, but please leave out the histrionics about Britons fighting for loo roll and the like.

Venezuelans never thought they would have to fight for toilet paper either. Until they elected a guy like Corbyn, who Corbyn admired intensely and whose policies Corbyn consider great models.

It would take more to ruin the UK, but all nations are ruinable. And Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves. But Chavismo / Corbynismo can ruin even such an immensely wealthy country.

 

[Kyriakos]

Again, I gave you a relevant strong argument explaining why the EU is actually the best bet to protect workers' rights.
So far you've only answering repeating empty and unsupported claims by eurosceptics. So no, I don't demand "more" than what I give, because I gave something factual while you didn't.

"The eu protects workers rights" can only sound like a joke. Unless in your view we aren't in the Eu, nor is Spain or Portugal (or Italy or France, btw). You don't protect rights by destroying countries so as to avoid having minor inflation on the euro. People doing that are not even worth to be spat upon by orangutans.

 

[luiz]

Only he is no such thing. Aren't you sort of making assumptions based on your personal pathos?

Btw, the other side consists of Boris. That is the Trump of England - they are both germans as well

Yes, he is a piece of filth who enthusiastically supported a murderous dictators until the end. That's a fact.

So you're advocating applying the death penalty for thoughtcrime, luiz?

No, I'm saying political leaders who enthusiastically supported Hugo Chavez until the end, as he murdered and pillaged and ruined Venezuela, are pieces of filth.

I don't support the death penalty for anyone, but I do reserve the right to call scumbags scumbags, and Corbyn is a big one.

Edit: BTW, you have to get over yourself. All your commie / anarcho buddies are big fans of the folks who you know have been raping Latin America for almost 20 years. You know those policies don't work. People like Corbyn and Pablo Iglesias did a lot to legitimize and perpetuate those murdering regimes (Iglesias even worked for Chavez). You can't have it both ways. The far left is a cancer, just like the far right, and you've see enough to know it. Grow up and admit to yourself you've outgrown that phase.

 

[Ajidica]

I'm struggling to see how a leftist revolutionary who took power in a military coup/mass demonstration is equitable to an elderly politician who is standard Old Labour, before Blair decided that saying whatever you want to win an election is an adequate replacement for a clear ideological position.

When did Corbyn last say he supported Chavez and his policies? A quick google search turned up an article from the Telegraph that managed to avoid quoting Corbyn once in an article in theory about Corbyn's policies.

 

[Takhisis]

yes but thats the telegraph STOP it is prestigious enough on its own STOP if you question them youre antiuk liberal or commie or irish bomber STOP

 

[innonimatu]

Hahahaha. Sorry, but I think Cornwall can suck it. I'm sure there's a British version of Farm Boy somewhere now talking about how the liberal elite is screwing the rural voters over again, but this time they really didn't seem to have thought it through. Maybe making a more informed decision, at least grasping the immediate consequences of your decision, would have required too much dangerous intellect.

That quoted piece invited a misrepresentation of what that council from Cornwall demanded. Which people predictably did by reproducing the headline throughout "social media", for the eyeballs of other people incapable of reading through the actual content.

What they were arguing for was that the UK government should step into replace those EU funds with funds from the UK's Treasury.. Which is entirely possible and reasonable, because the UK Treasury was paying into the EU more than the EU was distributing back to the UK. The UK can easily keep paying whatever subsidies were in place, whether for regions, research, education, fisheries, farming, and anything else. And still have plenty of money to spare from its old EU budget.

But that wouldn't be a piece of news people might click on, would it? Better present it with a sensationalist headline, as a laughable demand by dumb rural voters. That way you will open the page, view the ads (the main goal for the piece?), and have a self-righteous laughter at their "stupidity", while increasing your prejudice against them (the secondary goal?). Aelf, I get the impression that you are well-intended but too often (still) played by the media. Divide et impera... watch out for the possible motives behind every news story.

 

[Arakhor]

What they were arguing for was that the UK government should step into replace those EU funds with funds from the UK's Treasury.. Which is entirely possible and reasonable, because the UK Treasury was paying into the EU more than the EU was distributing back to the UK. The UK can easily keep paying whatever subsidies were in place, whether for regions, research, education, fisheries, farming, and anything else. And still have plenty of money to spare from its old EU budget.

Absolutely, but that would be difficult since all that regional funding (as part of the legendary £350m) was promised to be paid into the NHS each week.

 

[innonimatu]

Question about the EU Regulations the Common Market:
The understanding I have is that all products sold in the Common Market must abide by EU regulations. However, I got the impression from the Leave campaign is that they wanted to remove "silly EU regulations on pillows and bananas". That said, if the UK wants to do business in the Common Market, wouldn't they have to retain the bulk of those regulations to ensure their product can be sold in the Common Market?

Let me explain it this way: british bananas sold in the continent will have to conform to EU regulations in the meanwhile, the UK will be able to import whatever bananas it likes best.

Obviously the UK produces no bananas, and exports none. This same situation happens with lots of other products. So you should get how this gives it a larger degree of choice.

 

[Arakhor]

Let me explain it this way: british bananas sold in the continent will have to conform to EU regulations in the meanwhile, the UK will be able to import whatever bananas it likes best.

Perhaps you could post in good faith and actually mention a European product?