Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Mega Tsunami]

I am not certain about salmon fishing, but I can assure you the Scottish fishing industry as a whole is ecstatic about leaving the EU. They were ‘sold down the river’ as a bargaining chip when the UK joined the EU. It is French (and other EU) fishermen who are going to be spitting feathers with the UK leaving the EU.

There is a whole world out there we could trade with.
A few years ago I remember reading Scottish Langoustines were being shipped all the way to Thailand to be shelled and then shipped all the way back here to be sold to the EU and others. I don’t know if they still do that but it just shows we can ship stuff to places other than simply across the English Channel.

This is assuming the EU is stupid enough to try and put tariffs on food, something I am sure they won’t do as we import a lot more food from the EU than we export.

(I wonder though – will the fisheries be used as a bargaining chip on Brexit like it was for us on joining the EU?)

From the Guardian just after the vote:

Scotland's fishing industry welcomes decision to leave the EU

<snip>
Armstrong said Scottish fishermen were strongly against staying in the EU, even though the country as a whole voted strongly for remain. “It must not be forgotten that the whole of the Scottish fishing community, who sustainably harvest seafood from some of the best fishing grounds in the world, does not agree with this stance [on remaining in the EU] in the slightest,” he said.
“For Scotland’s economically important fishing industry, we believe the new opportunities presented by the referendum result are overwhelmingly for the better,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ng-industry-welcomes-decision-to-leave-the-eu

 

[HAND]

Just on the topic of fishing:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nce-uk-will-reclaim-waters-british-fishermen/

If the U.K does reclaim it's fishing grounds, it would certainly be good news for many current fishing towns and possibly former fishing towns that could rejoin the fishing industry.

 

[Arakhor]

Shame about the fish stocks, eh?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Who need sustainability when we can have good catches now, only commies think about the future.

 

[Takhisis]

Lord Heseltine hasn't stopped fighting WWII, it seems.

Germany will “win the peace” in Europe as a result of Brexit, with the UK's influence diminished, former Deputy Prime Minister Lord Heseltine said.

The Tory peer said it was “quite unacceptable” that Germany would be in a dominant position in Europe having lost the Second World War.​

 

[Mega Tsunami]

So now the truth is out. It was xenophobia on the Remain side that nearly kept us in the EU. Heseltine proves that all Remainers are nothing more than German hating xenophobes. Just like Farage proves all Leavers are xenophobes too.

More seriously though, it is interesting to hear a UKIP (yes UKIP) spokesman replying to Lord Heseltine with:
“If I was German I would be deeply offended,” a Ukip spokesman told the BBC. “I never realised the purpose of Britain’s membership of the EU was to stop German domination of Europe.

“For someone who is deeply pro-European to basically say he doesn’t trust the German people not to misbehave shows how utterly out of touch he is with the modern world and the modern, democratic and free Germany.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-europe-because-of-brexit-says-lord-heseltine

 

[EnglishEdward]

Michael Heseltine was a child during World War 2 and his experiences then no doubt influence his opinion today.

Indeed my experience of conversations with his age group is that they are often still concerned about Germany as
a threat, but they were split on tactics; between the majority who think that Germany already dominates the EU so
we should simply leave to escape German domination (because Germany has already won the peace), and a minority
who think that Britain should remain and actively engage in the EU (to support France & others in shackling Germany).

My own perception is that the need for the traditional British strategy of maintaining a balance of power between the great
powers of Europe and nearby so as to prevent any one country obtaining hegemony over the European sub-continent
has become obsoleted by the development of stronger power centres outside Europe such as the USA and China,
and will be further obsoleted as India and Brazil develop power and Russia recovers its industrial and scientific base.

The argument that this large island should remain in the EU to exert influence in Europe is contradictory to their democratic self
determination. E.g. The standards for wine & beer to be drunk by the French & Germans are not a legitimate concern of ours.

 

[Kyriakos]

So now the truth is out. It was xenophobia on the Remain side that nearly kept us in the EU. Heseltine proves that all Remainers are nothing more than German hating xenophobes. Just like Farage proves all Leavers are xenophobes too.

More seriously though, it is interesting to hear a UKIP (yes UKIP) spokesman replying to Lord Heseltine with:
“If I was German I would be deeply offended,” a Ukip spokesman told the BBC. “I never realised the purpose of Britain’s membership of the EU was to stop German domination of Europe.

“For someone who is deeply pro-European to basically say he doesn’t trust the German people not to misbehave shows how utterly out of touch he is with the modern world and the modern, democratic and free Germany.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-europe-because-of-brexit-says-lord-heseltine

Is the "modern, democratic, and free Germany" tied in any way to the gov ruling the EU the last years and causing it to collapse?

 

[Arakhor]

Is the "modern, democratic, and free Germany" tied in any way to the gov ruling the EU the last years and causing it to collapse?

That's a leading question, of course, so here's another: Is the "modern, democratic, and competent Greece" tied in any way to the gov ruling the EU the last years and causing it to collapse?

 

[Kyriakos]

That's a leading question, of course, so here's another: Is the "modern, democratic, and competent Greece" tied in any way to the gov ruling the EU the last years and causing it to collapse?

Well, yes it is. In that Greece has been hit harder by this charade. The same charade which had as another effect of it to make possible a "leave" result in the UK. In other words, don't you think it is a false-account of why you got that result to just blame (existent) british jingoism, and not tie it to actual erosion of what the EU was supposed to be? Hint, it wasn't supposed to be what it is now.

 

[Cheetah]

 

[Arakhor]

What the EU was or wasn't meant to be is not going to be the same thing as the EC or EEC. Just like Justinian's empire was not the same as Constantine's and the Conqueror's England was not the same as Edward III's England, so Europe is not the same today as it was when the Treaty of Rome was signed.

 

[Kyriakos]

What the EU was or wasn't meant to be is not going to be the same thing as the EC or EEC. Just like Justinian's empire was not the same as Constantine's and the Conqueror's England was not the same as Edward III's England, so Europe is not the same today as it was when the Treaty of Rome was signed.

Sailing to Byzantium, and reaching it in 1453.

Though 1204 is more like it. With 2017 anglo-varangians. (admittedly most of them with beer bellies and three lions football shirts).

 

[HAND]

Shame about the fish stocks, eh?

Well, if there is up to 40% less fish being taken (by EU fisherman) in UK waters and a gradual increase in UK fishing then it might work better than before. There are lots of deprived areas along the east coast with the North Sea especially, that would certainly gain from an increased stake in fishing. There will probably be a UK quota system of sorts after Brexit.

There's a petition here for UK residents seeking the return of British fishing waters to the UK after Brexit by the way:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/185827

Here's a breakdown of the petitions signatories:

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=185827

Understandably fishing centres across the UK are eager to sign.

 

[Lillefix]

Seems to me that many British politicians are living in the past.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Better than the republicans living in the 1950's...

 

[Traitorfish]

Seems to me that many British politicians are living in the past.

I disagree; the past is a real place that actually existed.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Well, yes it is. In that Greece has been hit harder by this charade. The same charade which had as another effect of it to make possible a "leave" result in the UK. In other words, don't you think it is a false-account of why you got that result to just blame (existent) british jingoism, and not tie it to actual erosion of what the EU was supposed to be? Hint, it wasn't supposed to be what it is now.

Why dont you just have a referendum and vote to Leave ?
Oh that right, you are the third largest recipenant of EU euromonies.

Hint: Money is following from the rich countries to the poor countries

 

[Agent327]

Since we're posting graphics anyway, here;s something of interest:http://geoawesomeness.com/top-30-maps-charts-explain-european-union/

Notice especially graph no 4; it shows the parliamentary overrepresentation of the UK and the underrepresentation of Germany vs the other big countries. (And who is leaving again?)

 

[Yeekim]

Um... what has the number of MPs in national parliaments of Member States got to do with anything?