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Is Donald Trump Done for?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Archbob, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Wouldnt an indictment against a potus (or former potus, recently having left the stage) be bad practice re allowing revanchism of this type?
     
  2. metalhead

    metalhead Angry Bartender

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    No. Presidents aren't above the law.
     
  3. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    But they are. Was nixon sent to jail? Apparently proceedings agains establishment politicians produce no result; must be cause they were innocent all along.
     
  4. Estebonrober

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    ? Care to elaborate on this thought? Presidents might not be indictable by the federal but I do not believe its been litigated whether a state can bring a charge or not, I'm not sure and would love to hear of any prior examples.
     
  5. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Prior examples was exactly what i asked for myself :)
     
  6. Tristan_C

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    He is protected from the law to some extent by politics since the investigation is politically motivated.
     
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  7. Gori the Grey

    Gori the Grey The Poster

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    And the resistance to the investigation even more so.
     
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  8. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Entangled Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Trump is providing a test of all our systems regarding presidential conduct and what is/will be allowed.
     
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  9. tetley

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    Trump has enough dirt on him that the Israelis are able to blackmail him into staying in Syria another 4 months.

    The Constitution has Congress trying the President for any crimes. So it was doomed to be political from the get-go. Trump could blow up a bank and take all the money--the only reason he might get tried for that would be because it is not popular to let a guy like that go. And the banks have lobbyists.
     
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    It is not settled that a President cannot be indicted for Federal crimes either. There have been weighty legal opinions on it both ways (mostly against the idea) but no real precedent or laws that I am aware of.

    Given that Trump and McConnell have thrown out every other customary practice, parliamentary courtesy and unwritten rule in pursuit of power, I do not believe we should honor this one above all the others.

    This is a criminal enterprise running our government and people must be held accountable.
     
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    There is actually legal standing concerning sitting Presidents. Its called Sovereign Immunity, one of the things we held over from the British. The only legal way for anyone to bring criminal or civil litigation against the President would be for Congress to impeach him and have the Senate try the case.
     
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    I don't believe this is true. Sovereign Immunity applies at the government level and not at the individual level.
     
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  13. Gori the Grey

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    There's a DoJ policy and nothing more. Birdjaguar has it right:

    the laws on this matter are going to be settled by the Trump presidency.
     
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  14. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Entangled Retired Moderator Supporter

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    And there are lots of players. It will be complicated.
    the Democratic House
    the Republican Senate
    DOJ
    Mueller investigation and his targets past and future
    SDNY
    State of NY et al
    Supreme Court
    The American Public
    Putin
    The Donald himself
    Fox News
    the 2020 election candidates

    Each of those is a moving piece and only some are predictable to any degree.
     
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  15. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    That is a very good point that I admit I hadn't even thought of before hearing you say it.

    EDIT: However... upon reflection... I must admit that despite Trump's pleading for him to do so... McConnell has so far declined to throw out the legislative filibuster to pass Trump's border wall funding.
     
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  16. Kyriakos

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    Atm is it likely that the wall will be built?
     
  17. Gori the Grey

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    No.
     
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    Takhisis is it fall yet

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    Anything could happen, but at the moment I'd say it won't. In the short-term. However, if ‘building a wall’ becomes a war-cry thrown at everything, as part of a general blame-the-foreigners strategy, then we might well see it happen because the centre is pushed ever rightwards by a vocal minority in the face of a silent, apathetic majority, as was the case with Brexit and any of a thousand other events.
     
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    I think their main right-wing problem will be that afaik most of the border is a river, so a wall will render that river useless for the usa. Maybe it already is useless, though.
    Of course the size of it all would mean it would cost tens of billions if it is to be an actual working obstacle.
     
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    In Texas the Rio Grande is a river that is mostly wet. Further west there are no river borders. A huge problem for the wall is acquisition of right of way from landowners who do not want a wall. Court battles are already underway and can slow things greatly, meaning years and years.
     
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