Is Elon Musk a fraud?

Is Elon Musk a fraud?

  • Yes, he is a fraud

    Votes: 46 69.7%
  • No, he isn't a fraud

    Votes: 20 30.3%

  • Total voters
    66
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It can easily be (and probably is) both at once.
 
Was this lawsuit filed in a US court?
Dude, come on. What standing does musk have to sue the Swedish transport agency in a U.S. court? Who would hear it? What corrective action can they compel? But even as I write this I can’t put it beyond Musk not to get that so yeah, fair question.
 
Do you mean this Musk?

on November 22, Elon Musk may have renewed hope for conspiracists around the world: As the US was preparing for Thanksgiving, Musk tweeted “Q*Anon” out to his 164.5 million followers.​
 
He so desperately wants to be admired. What happened in his childhood to create such a voracious hunger for people's adulation?
 
It's honestly spectacular what a complete fraud and idiot he is lol
 
I guess he has sort of won...

Tesla scores a major victory in its 'insane' war against Sweden's labor unions and government over a 'very serious' threat to its business

A Swedish county court issued a temporary injunction granting Tesla the right to take delivery of license plates for its cars, potentially offering the company a partial reprieve from a spiraling strike.

Tesla filed two separate suits Monday calling on courts to force the transport agency to hand over license plates directly, or deliver them to the company by other means. The agency confirmed it received the temporary injunction from the Norrköping District Court and that its supplier is prepared to hand over the plates directly.

"The agency now needs to look into the decision and what consequences it might have for us and what we have to take into account to execute the decision," Anna Berggrund, the director of the department of vehicle information, said in a statement. "It is too early to say what that would mean in further detail."

The order comes days after Tesla Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk called the Swedish labor actions "insane." The injunction says the agency must provide Tesla with license plates within seven days or otherwise be fined 1 million Swedish kronor ($96,000).

In its other lawsuit, which is still awaiting a court ruling, Tesla claims that PostNord's failure to deliver mail and deliveries, including license plates, are "very serious, nearly system threatening." PostNord has said it has no power in the matter.

The government is "very limited" in its ability to change government ordinances that may be the issue of ongoing labor market conflicts, Petra Herzfeld Olsson, professor in labor law at Stockholm University, said in an interview. She hasn't seen the specific ordinance governing the transport agency.

Herzfeld Olsson said the most recent time the government did anything like this was in 1971, when wide-ranging strikes among public-sector employees paralyzed the Swedish bureaucracy, including welfare systems. She said Swedish labor unions have constitutional rights to strike and execute secondary sympathy actions.

Swedish and other Scandinavian labor unions have wide-ranging rights to exert pressure when their peers enter conflicts with companies. Other actions currently affecting Tesla include a blockade among dockworkers who are refusing to load or unload the company's cars cars at Swedish ports. Trash pickups and electrical work at Tesla Supercharger stations also are hindered.
 
Swedish and other Scandinavian labor unions have wide-ranging rights to exert pressure when their peers enter conflicts with companies.

I mean apparently not if a court has issued an injunction preventing it...
 

Elon Musk claims advertisers are trying to ‘blackmail’ him, says ‘Go f--- yourself’​

Speaking at the 2023 DealBook Summit in New York on Wednesday, Elon Musk, the owner of social media site X (formerly Twitter), scoffed at advertisers leaving the platform because of antisemitic posts he amplified there.

“If somebody’s gonna try to blackmail me with advertising? Blackmail me with money? Go f---yourself. Go. F---. Yourself. Is that clear?” Musk singled out Disney CEO Bob Iger in the audience, saying “Hi Bob!”

He also implied that his fans would boycott those advertisers in kind. “The whole world will know that those advertisers killed the company and we will document it in great detail,” Musk threatened.

He also told interviewer Andrew Ross Sorkin, “I have no problem being hated. Hate away.”

In recent weeks, Musk has promoted and sometimes verbally endorsed what the White House called “antisemitic and racist hate” on X, formerly Twitter, the social media platform he owns and runs as CTO.

He called those tweets, “one of the most foolish if not the most foolish thing I’ve ever done on the platform.” “I’m sorry for that tweet or post,” he added.

Musk’s inflammatory posts on the social media platform, among other things, have led large advertisers, including Disney, Apple, and many others, to suspend campaigns there and drove some famous users to abandon the platform, including Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo.

Musk, who is also the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, has denied that he is antisemitic, and said that on X, “Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension.”

He also traveled to Israel this week, where he met and spoke with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. When Netanyahu said he wanted to “deradicalize” and “rebuild” Gaza, Musk offered to help. Musk told Sorkin on stage that his visit to Israel was planned before his tweets, and were not part of an “apology tour.”

Previously, Musk had said he wanted to bring SpaceX satellite communications service, Starlink, to the region and specifically to humanitarian organizations in Gaza.

Musk’s personal account on X currently displays a follower count of more than 164 million -- though tech blog Mashable reported in August that a majority of Musk’s listed followers appeared to be inauthentic or inactive accounts.

 

Elon Musk claims advertisers are trying to ‘blackmail’ him, says ‘Go f--- yourself’​

Speaking at the 2023 DealBook Summit in New York on Wednesday, Elon Musk, the owner of social media site X (formerly Twitter), scoffed at advertisers leaving the platform because of antisemitic posts he amplified there.

“If somebody’s gonna try to blackmail me with advertising? Blackmail me with money? Go f---yourself. Go. F---. Yourself. Is that clear?” Musk singled out Disney CEO Bob Iger in the audience, saying “Hi Bob!”

He also implied that his fans would boycott those advertisers in kind. “The whole world will know that those advertisers killed the company and we will document it in great detail,” Musk threatened.

He also told interviewer Andrew Ross Sorkin, “I have no problem being hated. Hate away.”

In recent weeks, Musk has promoted and sometimes verbally endorsed what the White House called “antisemitic and racist hate” on X, formerly Twitter, the social media platform he owns and runs as CTO.

He called those tweets, “one of the most foolish if not the most foolish thing I’ve ever done on the platform.” “I’m sorry for that tweet or post,” he added.

Musk’s inflammatory posts on the social media platform, among other things, have led large advertisers, including Disney, Apple, and many others, to suspend campaigns there and drove some famous users to abandon the platform, including Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo.

Musk, who is also the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, has denied that he is antisemitic, and said that on X, “Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension.”

He also traveled to Israel this week, where he met and spoke with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. When Netanyahu said he wanted to “deradicalize” and “rebuild” Gaza, Musk offered to help. Musk told Sorkin on stage that his visit to Israel was planned before his tweets, and were not part of an “apology tour.”

Previously, Musk had said he wanted to bring SpaceX satellite communications service, Starlink, to the region and specifically to humanitarian organizations in Gaza.

Musk’s personal account on X currently displays a follower count of more than 164 million -- though tech blog Mashable reported in August that a majority of Musk’s listed followers appeared to be inauthentic or inactive accounts.


Smart capitalist would realize don't piss in your customers soup.
 
Do you mean this Musk?

on November 22, Elon Musk may have renewed hope for conspiracists around the world: As the US was preparing for Thanksgiving, Musk tweeted “Q*Anon” out to his 164.5 million followers.​
It’s a bit of a pun, Q* refers to something going on in openai
 
Oh, Melon Husk might not mind being hated, but he absolutely hates not being fawned over by his Muskrats. You'd think that a supposedly smart man like himself would realise that even the combined 'might' of his adoring legions cannot hope to make Twitter even partly profitable.
 
As The Verge reports:

Elon Musk’s alleged drug use is worrying Tesla and SpaceX execs,
At least according to a new report in The Wall Street Journal that claims that SpaceX and Tesla executives and board members are concerned about how Musk’s drug use could affect his health — and his businesses.
Musk, thanks to SpaceX, is deeply entangled with the US federal government, and his antics have cost him before, such as when the Pentagon investigated him after he smoked pot on Joe Rogan’s podcast.
Elon Musk Has Used Illegal Drugs, Worrying Leaders at Tesla and SpaceX [WSJ]​

(I can't access the WSJ article beyond the first paragraph because of a paywall)
 
Elon Musk is a very strange guy. If he has wanted to build up an image of himself as some kind of enigma, he has certainly been very successful at that.

Take the tweet posted above. While being against current European immigration practices is a legitimate opinion, being very concerned about George Soros is often a sign that someone has let their mind become corrupted by conspiracy theories. And claiming that it appears that Soros wants “the destruction of western civilization“ is full looney tunes.

But what are his reasons for posting this? Does he actually believe this himself, or is there some kind of tactical maneuvering behind using this kind of rhetoric?

He has certainly been radicalized by the polarization of American politics, like many of his countrymen. And it isn’t very hard to imagine that a successful industry magnate has become a tool of data algorithms and tribalism, just like any truck driver can be. But with Musk being Musk, I still wonder if there isn’t something else behind this. That he is aligning himself with the kind of people that believes this stuff for strategic reasons like shared interests. But that is perhaps giving him too much credit. Or discredit, as that would be very cynical from my point of view.

As to the topic here, my answer would be that both yes and no are correct. No, because he has been successful at several of his ventures, and in a way that is changing the world. Yes, because all humans are frauds in many ways, and especially so in important matters like business. If he is any more of a fraud than other people it would be fair to compare him with, I do not know.

When Musk is discussed, some people expose that they have a very simple and “dualistic” view of other people. Either you are a good guy, or you are a bad guy. There‘s some in-between, but let’s try to keep it down ok? And there’s certainly some of that in this thread.

To me, Musk is a very loathsome and unlikable person. During the submarine debacle he showed fully to the world how repugnant and petty he was, and he hasn’t become any better since. Lowlife is a suitable description for his personality. At the same time, it also looks like he has done far more good than bad things for the world, though the precise effects he will have upon it remain largely in the air. This does not redeem his personality for me, it is still highly disagreeable, but I am able to see him in a nuanced light. Of particular importance are the Neuralink and SpaceX projects.

Musk is not a good person, but his efforts may do much more good for the world than any of us can hope to. Or not, since trying to predict the future is notoriously difficult.

The first neuralink cyborg was created yesterday.

 

Clearly, there is no other way.
 
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