Is Turkey planning to attack Greece?

[Rambuchan]

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am I being paranoid abserving this as a Greek-American?

Yes.

What do you posters think of this build-up?

Run of the mill military upgrading.

What do you think might happen? (Will Turkey attack? And who would win? Remember every war Greece has won has been a war where they were outragously outnumbered, except the Greco-Turkish War. Will America and Britain help Turkey like they did in Cyprus or defend Greece?)

None of this. In fact nothing.

 

[fing0lfin]

I think Turkey won't attack. Not in the followin 5-10 years. If they attack they will close their door to the EU. But if Turkey bcome rejected for the EU after some years, i think that such an attack will become much more possible.

 

[Gabryel Karolin]

Are you mad? What could Turkey possible win from attacking a fellow NATO-member?

 

[fing0lfin]

May be start the Third World War- muslims vs christians

 

[mrtn]

Turkey is militantly secular, so that doesn't seem too reasonable.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

I don't think America would risk its airbases by siding with the Greeks. Also, Turkey is helping us in Iraq and Afghanistan (the airbases), and I'm not so sure whether or not the Greeks are.

 

[Greek Stud]

Yea, the Greeks are on rotation right after Turkey. The Kabul airbase is under Greek Command for a few months in Afghanistan. We followed directly after Turkey finished leading the defense of the Kabul area.

Greek NATO troops are also in Kosovo, Cyprus, and various African countries like Sudan.

 

[Zarn]

The idea of Tureky attacking Greece in this day and age is quite absurd, given the E.U. and NATO membership issues.

Here is a shocker to all: I agree with comrade Davo.

Turkish men my age are too busy playing video games, anyway.

 

[kronic]

Turkey is militantly secular

The state and the military, yes. The people? No.

 

[EdwardTking]

If the Turkey attacks, it will be fried in Greece and eaten.

 

[jeriko one]

Here is a shocker to all: I agree with comrade Davo.

Turkish men my age are too busy playing video games, anyway.

You are quite right. But lets not forget that they also spend time posting in civfanatics forums.

@steph


Well, we will buy Patriots to strenghten the eastern border and also buy some books to teach the people in the east not to touch the creatures which have the disease.

 

[blackheart]

It will happen when Macedon becomes a nation again.

 

[JohnRM]

Last year the Turkish Aegean Army (which operates without governmental or civilian restrictions; the General Staff governs the needs of the military and is appropriated a budget from the Republic's national account) relocated its military stationed in inner Anatolia out to the coast of the Aegean Sea. Before the Iraq War, Turkey bartered with the US to upgrade Turkish Ports in the Aegean so that they could take a vote in Parliament on whether their NATO bases could be used to stage an attack on Iraq. The vote ended in a NO vote and Greek and Cypriot bases allowed for NATO allies Britain and USA to attack, refuel, and Cyprus (as in Greek Cyprus) was the headquarters for diplomatic operation as well as Qatar as the airforce military headquarters for the invasion of Iraq.

The relocating of the Aegean Army is restricted from the Lausanne Treaty, so long as the Army remains stationed inland, Greece cannot build any military defense or offense within the Aegean and especially Rhodes. The upgrade in ports was later followed by a consentration in military transports for tanks and troops. Turkey has continually violated current legal airspace rules in the Aegean with armed fighter jets, and has never been warned that this illegal action threatens the security of the European Union member Greece. Later it was discovered that Turkey purchased spyplanes from Israel and America and has since flown them over South Cyprus and the Aegean.

In a report in the Turkish Press just days ago, it was announced that the Turkish Military General Staff has allocated funds to build up the Turkish Naval Force with a goal to over power the superior Greek Naval Force in the Aegean by 2015. Keep in mind the comparison is to Naval Forces and not merhcant ships in which Greece is 3rd in the world and Cyprus is 6th, and both are strongly involved with international ship building, transport, engineering, advancement and trade. Obviously, Greeks Naval strength is not threatening to Turkey as Turkey is a landmass. But from these developments that point to a military upgrade, military growth, and military concentration in the Aegean, as Turkey has many Seas to choose from (Mediterranean, Marmara (Pro-Pontus), and Black (Pontus)) am I being paranoid abserving this as a Greek-American?

What do you posters think of this build-up?

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What do you think might happen? (Will Turkey attack? And who would win? Remember every war Greece has won has been a war where they were outragously outnumbered, except the Greco-Turkish War. Will America and Britain help Turkey like they did in Cyprus or defend Greece?)

Greece's status as a NATO member, obligating the rest of NATO to defend Greece in the event of attack, and Turkey's bid to join the European Union would most likely preclude any war from breaking out.

If war did break out, Turkey might make significant gains immediately, but would eventually be defeated.

Don't tease me. I would love for the "West" to regain control of Constantinople.

 

[North King]

It will happen when Macedon becomes a nation again.

Depends if one with "ia" counts.



At worst, they are building it up to use it as leverage over Cyprus in the dispute over N. Cyprus.

 

[Greek Stud]

I think Greece would win not because other nations care about Greece, just more because they fear Turkey.

Turkey and Greece are allies, but so are Greece and America. Many intelligence reports show that the track record of America was that the CIA installed the Greek Junta regime (at the same time the CIA was installing Junta military governments in Central America like Nicaragua and Colombia). President Clinton apologized for the CIA involvement which led to the Greek Junta organizing a coup in Cyprus.

Its surprising to see that Governments often work in undemocratic ways and dont represent the image of their people.

Libya was used as a base to bomb the Ottoman Empire in WW1 and Crete is a defense base that can reach as far as Ankara. Luckily, the superpower struggle gives Greece an advantage. China is building a superior port on Crete that will be completed in 2010. China and Russia have organized a response to the US and British plans to rid Cyprus of Greeks and give Turkey the Eastern Aegean. The intellegence report has been leaked through UN members who resigned once they became exposed to the reality of the quarrels between Turkey and Greece. It isnt even a Greek and Turk issue. Just like the invasion of Smyrna by the Kingdom of Greece being organized by the West, Turkey and Greece today fight or argue because of third party interference.

 

[mrtn]

The state and the military, yes. The people? No.

And an attack by the people, without support of the state and military, has how high a chance to succeed?

Yes, none.

 

[Greek Stud]

UPDATE:

Greek Prime Minister Karamalis in China to discuss the extensive upgrading of trade and industrial ties between Greece and China. China has been granted rights to develop trading ports in South Cyprus and Crete. The port in Crete will serve to trade larger amount of Chinese goods into the European market. Mainland Greece will be open to Chinese industries to strengthen the industrial importance of products in Greece.

Cypriot Foreign Minister Iacovou will meet with the Russian Kremlin and Duma houses, as well as the Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II. The visit is aimed at reinforcing Russia's support for the Greek Cypriots and show cultural relations between the Orthodox Communities. Lastly, Cyprus and Russia plan to speak about the development of the Russians' new military for 2006-2014. Military technology will focus on new features and abilities. The military serves with ties with China. Cyprus in particular will participate in the creation of a fighter jet that can land on water and re-emerge into the air without the support of aircraft carriers.

 

[Kyriakos]

What sort of update is this? It doesnt seem to be about any war-built up.
It s true that Turkey has a habbit of exporting its crisis in small war-like episodes, as in the Imia islands in 1996, and this may happen again. The international community hasnt done anything to prevent that. Also i am not sure that the EU would help in the event of a war.
That said i do not consider war with Turkey to be a possibility; both countries have enough weapons to do a lot of damage; the missiles alone can kill a large number of civilians in main cities in a matter of minutes, so war wouldnt be a good idea.

 

[Greek Stud]

The update serves to further the research of individuals who monitor the military build-up between Greece and Turkey. Both countries are pawns between Western Civilizations and Eastern Civilizations.

Not only does my update point out a CIV themed advancement in military technology and technological trade and sharing, the update shows that the British and American involvement in Cyprus and Asia Minor is now a more formidable threat.

During the Cold War, British forces that monitored the Soviet expansion into the Middle East were forced to leave Port Said, Egypt by Nationalistic ideologies of Arab Egyptians. In response, America and the CIA planned a coup of the Cairo government. This same movement forced Britain to pull out of its military bases in the Middle East.

Now that Iraq holds American and British troops, we are back to Cold War positions with the declaration of no Cold War. Russia and China's new alliance is fully visual today as the EU faces the duo against international policy in Iran (Persia).

With the CIA Junta in Greece gone and a reversed coup attempt by Kissinger in Cyprus, Britain has successfully shown its Divide and Conquer military technique on the island.

The book: An International Relations Debacle: The Un Secretary-general's Mission Of Good Offices In Cyprus 1999-2004 (Hardcover)
by Claire Palley

shows the facts of the manipulation of Britain and America on the island of Cyprus. Britain, having lost the control of the Suez Canal and Port Said, needs its military base in Cyprus to monitor Iran and other oil countries in the Middle East (for the reasource: oil).

The update shows that both Turkey and Greece are being held as front runners in an East and West confrontation. Turkey held the USSR from the West and the Middle East. But as China and Russia grow in Greece, they will equally spill into the rest of Europe, and possibly equal or out grow any dependence of European countries with Western Economies and Western Military Protection.

It also gives the impression of the East becoming more cooperative in Mutual Military alliances. This will have an impact on the stance of India. As we all know, Pakistan was the US channel into Communist China. India is still very weary of the Pakistani-American relations. Iran has also shifted its dependence towards Russia and China.

@varwnos
I hope this answers your question on the importance of my update. War is often not used to protect civilians, it is a negotiation tactic to change the status quo between nations (states, kingdoms, governments).

 

[Winner]

Also i am not sure that the EU would help in the event of a war.

In the case Greece was attacked without provocation? Of course it would.

But that doesn't matter, because it is not going to happen