Israel continues operation in Gaza - Thread II

[Truronian]

Do Israel know where the rockets are being fired from?

 

[Ecofarm]

Yes, rockets have a major signature.

Israel returns fire to the location of the rocket launch and usually there is a pile of kids waiting to become propaganda surrounding the rocket team. The rocket teams gather kids around them on purpose... to kill them.

 

[Truronian]

Then they should just send troops in and secure the rocket lauching sites.

 

[Ecofarm]

And those troops get ambushed. When they attempt to return fire, there is a wall of children put in place by Hamas in front of and within the terrorists firing.

Now what?

Now you have dead kids and dead IDF. That's better?

See why this is a big crap-burger and Hamas has got to go?

 

[Truronian]

And those troops get ambushed. When they attempt to return fire, there is a wall of children put in place by Hamas in front of the terrorists firing.

Now what?

Now you have dead kids and dead IDF. That's better?

I'd certainly take it over twice as many dead kids. Let's just be glad it's a hypothetical scenario you've come up with that may or may not happen.

 

[Ecofarm]

No, you get the same number of dead kids, plus dead IDF. They don't use less kids for an ambush than they use for a rocket attack.

It's not hypothetical. It's what is really happening right now.

 

[Truronian]

No, you get the same number of dead kids, plus dead IDF. They don't use less kids for an ambush than they use for a rocket attack.

It's not hypothetical. It's what is really happening right now.

But rockets explode more than IDF troops. Generally.

 

[RedRalph]

No, you get the same number of dead kids, plus dead IDF. They don't use less kids for an ambush than they use for a rocket attack.

It's not hypothetical. It's what is really happening right now.

It is? they rush kids to launch sites?

 

[Ecofarm]

Whether it is an ambush or a rocket attack, a bunch of kids are gonna die.

Same number of dead kids, +/- dead IDF (and the psychological damage done to those soldiers).

It is? they rush kids to launch sites?

And they launch from places that already have concentrations of children.


I really don't see a solution except killing Hamas, at a terrible price. But make no mistake, Hamas sets the price.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

An artilleryshell doesn't see the difference between a kid and a rocketfiring a-hole.

A soldier does.

 

[Ecofarm]

When a kid is blocking a guy firing an AK at you, there's not much choice. When a building is full of kids and snipers, you send the tank shell in. You end up with just as many dead kids (see also: somalia), some dead IDF, and terrible psychological scaring for the soldiers involved.

Indirect fire just costs less, considering the above.

 

[RedRalph]

And they launch from places that already have concentrations of children.


I really don't see a solution except killing Hamas, at a terrible price. But make no mistake, Hamas sets the price.

I know they launch form populated areas, but I had never heard they specifically bring kids in to be killed by the Israelis retaliation. Can you post any links or articles about that?

 

[Ecofarm]

"Hamas calls upon all Gaza children to gather near a house to form a human shield"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=351_1231430391&to_friend=1

"Palestinian Muslim Terrorists using children as human shields."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1209473882

"Hamas admits it uses children as human shields for terrorists"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=914_1209502391



Enough is enough

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Eco, are you simply arguing for argument sake, or is that really the logic you believe in? Serious question, since I get the feeling I am trolled at the moment. You argue from a specific situation, "when a kid is blocking ... ". Sure, "but when there isn't a kid blocking ..."

Or you have to paint the picture that every line of fire is always blocked by kids and soldier have to mow down wave upon wave of kids to get to the Hamas soldier.

I simply can't believe you are arguing that an artillery shell is as precise in striking the enemy and with as much of collateral damage as a soldier who is able to identify his target.

 

[El_Machinae]

When a kid is blocking a guy firing an AK at you, there's not much choice.

Yes there is. An extreme scenario can reduce the level of 'choice', but there's always a choice.

 

[RedRalph]

"Hamas calls upon all Gaza children to gather near a house to form a human shield"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=351_1231430391&to_friend=1

"Palestinian Muslim Terrorists using children as human shields."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1209473882

Thats seems to be in order to deter the strike, rather than to deliberately get kids killed in it. Serbs did that regularly when the US attacked them too. Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt get my son to do that, but the intent does appear to be to stop the strike rather than to get kids killed for propoganda.

 

[Ecofarm]

They do it when they know the strike is coming. They always do it.

 

[Ecofarm]

Yes there is. An extreme scenario can reduce the level of 'choice', but there's always a choice.

I don't think you'd say that to the somalia Ranger I spent a night talking to. He was a bit messed up from it. It was either return fire into hordes of drugged children or watch all his friends die because he doesn't.

 

[RedRalph]

They do it when they know the strike is coming. They always do it.

How can they know the strike is coming when Israel dosent strike every time a rocket is launched? Are you making these facts up or do you actually know that this occurs?

 

[HannibalBarka]

Using civilian as human shield is a very effective Israeli tactic also:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-...dangered-military-tactics-both-sides-20090108