Evie
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Well he's far from that yet (that's QUEBEC, not Canada). But hell...if this election can actually damage the Bloc's stranglehold on Quebec, so very worth it.
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I'm curious, you don't have to answer, but are you an independantist who thinks the Bloc is useless or are you a federalist?
You've already explained in this thread why you think the Bloc is a bad thing, I'm more interested in knowing if the opinion comes from someone who would vote yes or no in a referendum, or someone who would support the Parti Québécois at the provincial elections. It's just rare to find people who don't paint themselves entirely red or entirely blue.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
I've voted Liberal federally (once, last time around) and PQ provincially (a few times). So very much of a purple sort of person.
As for yes or no...it would largely depend on circumstances, namely whether at that point in time Canada has given me reason to feel that it truly isn't a bilingual country (ie, not a place I can consider home), and whether the independende project is just "let's get the hell out of here" or a more detailed future project of which independence is just one step, which I might actually believe in.
As for yes or no...it would largely depend on circumstances, namely whether at that point in time Canada has given me reason to feel that it truly isn't a bilingual country (ie, not a place I can consider home), and whether the independende project is just "let's get the hell out of here" or a more detailed future project of which independence is just one step, which I might actually believe in.
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Well, the Supreme Court has said pretty clearly that a referendum can never be the former. It would always need to be a future project. Though I guess you could examine whether a real plan had been concocted.
Evie
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Confusion there.
If the Parti Québécois decided to have a referedum just because they're the PQ and it's what they do (and without any specific project other than "Let's get independent"), so long as the question was clear and the victory margin also, the Federal government would have a constitutional obligation to negociate Quebec's exit in good faith (Quebec would have to negociate in good faith too). So in that sense, "Let's get independent for the sake of getting independent" is perfectly legit.
What I meant by "a specific project" is more in the sense of, you know. "This is our plan for the next ten year to build the Quebec of the future. To accomplish this (honest and belivable), Quebec must become independent because otherwise we will not be able to do XYZ." Basically, I won't support independence as an end in itself (unless Canada really, really, really goes to hell, in an abolishing-official-bilingualism sort of going to hell). But as a mean to an end, I'm willing to consider it.
However, it's true that the Supreme Court has said that Quebec just cannot go and say "Okay, we have a majority vote for us, so we're outta here" - we'd have to negociate our exit with you guys.
If the Parti Québécois decided to have a referedum just because they're the PQ and it's what they do (and without any specific project other than "Let's get independent"), so long as the question was clear and the victory margin also, the Federal government would have a constitutional obligation to negociate Quebec's exit in good faith (Quebec would have to negociate in good faith too). So in that sense, "Let's get independent for the sake of getting independent" is perfectly legit.
What I meant by "a specific project" is more in the sense of, you know. "This is our plan for the next ten year to build the Quebec of the future. To accomplish this (honest and belivable), Quebec must become independent because otherwise we will not be able to do XYZ." Basically, I won't support independence as an end in itself (unless Canada really, really, really goes to hell, in an abolishing-official-bilingualism sort of going to hell). But as a mean to an end, I'm willing to consider it.
However, it's true that the Supreme Court has said that Quebec just cannot go and say "Okay, we have a majority vote for us, so we're outta here" - we'd have to negociate our exit with you guys.
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Ah, well then, I see what you're getting at.
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I think it's the start of what is likely an irreversible trend. Canada is becoming a more divided nation idealogically - this is good for the Conservatives and NDP but bad for a populist party like the Liberals. I don't see their relevance growing in the future, to say nothing of the political infighting that will likely tear them apart.
I did have a discussion with a friend speculating that, if the Liberals don't get their act together, the NDP could feasibly take a position as one of Canada's two large parties- however, I think the Liberals will remain strong as the compromise candidate for a lot of left-wing Canadians voting against the Conservatives.
Couple of interesting incidents out here... first, one of the Tory candidates in BC has been linked to the Air India bombing, via endorsements from some of those involved. It's a really tight race in that riding - went Liberal last time, but this time, who knows?
And in the Alberta riding of Calgary Centre-North, the Conservative Party is represented by... a houseplant!
And in the Alberta riding of Calgary Centre-North, the Conservative Party is represented by... a houseplant!
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Groucho
Its not like that plant wouldn't win anyway
Maniacal
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Albertans will still vote for it as long as it is a conservative potted plant.
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Maniacal
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Beat you to the joke
Your vote won't change anything in your riding, mine will
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There was a scene on 22Minutes/AirFarce about some french Canadian poltician several years ago who apparently did coke in college (or about then) and a potted plan being put in charge.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
AT my brother's college there was supposed to be a meet the candidate day. The conservative one chose to be a no-show.
My brother and one of his friends decided leaving the conservatives unrepresented was clearly unacceptable, and set up shot at their table to inform their fellow young voters. With print-out slogans like "Planes, not Families" and ""Global warming is a myth" - God".
Apparently, they got away with it.
If it's the same guy I'm thinking, that man was André Boisclair, who was more than just a deputy, he was the leader of the Parti Québécois for a while. He had apparently been a drug user in his past. And he is gay. He was also generally a good guy and one of the better environment ministers we had when the Parti Québécois was in power.
As for the potted plant, there was our local Rick Mercer (his name is Jean-René Dufort) who managed to have a potted plant vote in the elections of a party leader (like when parties have in-fights about who is going to be the leader). He also had Omar Bongo, ex-resident of Gabon, and Ben Laden, vote in similar elections, just proving that being a voting member of a party was not too hard. Again, only talking about in-party politics here, not actual Elections Canada stuff.
The plant is probably a lot smarter than the human candidate.
For a party that brought us Stockwell Day, a houseplant is actually a step forward in evolution.
