July 27, 1936: which side are you on?

[TheBladeRoden]

Whichever side wore those fezzes and sunglasses

(BTW do not google "fezes" when checking your spelling)

 

[Traitorfish]

Well realistically if I'm living in Spain in 1936 I'd be quite a different person and my position would depend heavily on my social class, religious outlook and geographical location now wouldn't it.

Don't go spoiling my game with your facts.

 

[gangleri2001]

Its nationals. NA-TION-ALS!

You English speakers should get your termynology right.

 

[Phrossack]

Its nationals. NA-TION-ALS!

You English speakers should get your termynology right.

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[Traitorfish]

Its nationals. NA-TION-ALS!

You English speakers should get your termynology right.

It's "Nationalists", I assure you. It's "nacionales" in Spanish, yes, but translated literally into the English "Nationals", it doesn't make any sense, so we say "Nationalists".

 

[classical_hero]

Reluctantly I would go with the Nationals, because I foresee another civil war once the other side wins and the communists fight against the republicans. It seems to be the best of a bad situation.

 

[Core Imposter]

The thing of note should be that all of this was spawned by the effects of the depression of the 30s and if you see all of the effects of the current depression (call it a recession or recovery on your own hook) as it resonates across the world you can catch a glimpse of the potential for wider and perhaps global warfare in our immediate future.

One might make a list of the countries in the 30s that saw revolution and civil war and serious social unrest before the eruption of general warfare and contrast it with a list of countries which has seen similar events in the past ten years. Draw your own conclusions.

The main driver of wars is economic failure. Picking a side to back in the various conflicts isn't (or shouldn't) be a moral issue. Its a simple matter of who can restore a semblance of control, provide for functional economic structures with at least of portion of liberty.

I'd back the likely winner and hope for the best. Its not as if one group or ideology is more or less corrupt than the other.

 

[Core Imposter]

When we can't feed our families what do you tell us? Thou shalt not steal? When survival is the first law of nature? What are you going to do when black people and poor people erupt in the streets of America? It's coming! Will you use the federal troops, Mr. President, against the poor?

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan
March 1, 2010

 

[REDY]

In that time republicans, with current knowledge nationalists

 

[Yoda Power]

If I was suddenly thrown back in time? Then I would try to get out of Spain as quickly as possible. If that was not an option I would probably hold my life over ideology and go with the side I knew was going to win. Chances are I would be dead by old age before Spain becomes a democracy.

If the scenario is that I lived in Spain my whole life, then I have no idea what side I would join.

 

[Josu]

I am Basque nationalist and my dad survived to Guernica and Bilbao bombing. I must vote Republican.

 

[metatron]

Can i get my behind to NYC and work as a waiter?

Ah, YP's way ahead of me.
What he said.

Of course i'd be highly sympathetic with the Republic.
But me doing this whole bit with the fighting and dying.
Yeah, uhm, no.

 

[warpus]

It is July 27th, ten days since the beginning of the uprising. The lines are drawn; which side are you on?

I don't know how anyone could say that they are on the side of the right-wing fascist dictator here. But either way I'm on the other side.

 

[Leonel]

Which side is the one that sells arms to the winning side and gets rich in the process?

 

[Traitorfish]

Not sure if that happened? The Soviet Union sold arms to the Republic, but Germany and Italy seemed to more or less give theirs away to the Nationalists.

(In fact, selling arms to the losing side seems to have been the best bet: they had the gold reserves and the desperation to flog them, while the winning side could only pay in credit or good-will, and none of their suppliers survived long enough to cash them in.)

 

[Antilogic]

On an unrelated note: this might be the only CFC poll ever in which the vast majority voted Republican.

It depends on the manner and timing of the victory.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking. If the Soviet Union committed more vehicles and manpower to win the war, then it's pretty likely Spain would be aligned with the Comintern. If the Republicans win because the United Kingdom, France, and the US commit significantly more resources and troops, I doubt the Stalinist faction would gain as much influence as they did.

Not sure if that happened? The Soviet Union sold arms to the Republic, but Germany and Italy seemed to more or less give theirs away to the Nationalists.

And the US banned the sale of arms to the Spanish Republic because we love the free market so much.

 

[gangleri2001]

It's "Nationalists", I assure you. It's "nacionales" in Spanish, yes, but translated literally into the English "Nationals", it doesn't make any sense, so we say "Nationalists".

No, it makes far less sense to have the exact same word for the Basque and Catalan nationalists (on the Republican side) and the Nationals. The English terminology is wrong and must be fixed. Period.

 

[Traitorfish]

"Nationalists" is the popular and scholarly consensus.

edit: I take the point that "National" is probably more accurate than "Nationalist", because the former suggest a program of "national unity" or suchlike, while the latter suggests independence or state-building- this is presumably the distinction you drawn between Franco and the Catalan or Basque nationalists?- but as I said, "Nationals" is an awkward term in English, and "Nationalists" is already the consensus, so at least for the purposes of this thread, "Nationalists" makes more sense.

 

[Tee Kay]

Whos the global lingua franca? Yeah, we are.

 

[Quackers]

Franco is a bit of a hero of mine so i will have to plump for him.