KhaNESII: S.P.Q.R

"All Senators do have the right to free speech in the Senate. But free speech does not mean that democratic and foreign ideas should not be indicted for what they are! I too would here Iustus Bruscius speak."
 
Yeah, Law 1.2 is right out. Having Tribunes of the Plebs is going to be a horrible mess and I have no idea how that would function. Its not happening.

Also, a reminder that voting has not started yet.

Are people still wanting to propose laws, because people seem pretty eager to vote and if it seems that everybody is done with laws I'll just open up the voting sooner.

The grain dole, to start with, would cost 16 Funds per season, though that would go up as the Republic expands and Rome itself grows.
 
Law 1.1
The war in Pannonia - two legions, II and III, will be sent to Pannonia to deal with the raids and if possible, conquer the province.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
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Aye. The Consuls shall select two Generals to lead this campaign.


Law 1.2
The position of Tribune of the Plebeians, abolished by Sulla, will be reestablished.
Proposed by: Titus Lucretius Longus (momo1000)
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Nay.

Law 1.3
Reenactment of the Gracchii Reforms - A limit will be put upon all Ager Publicus land that is leased to others. The limit will be larger than before at 750 Iugera, 250 Iugera for the eldest son and another 200 for the second son.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
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Obviously Nay. I campaigned strongly against the reinstatement of the Grachii reforms and I stand by my firm belief that these reforms will ultimately damage the Roman society and economy. I call upon all those who supported me in the election to utterly reject it.

Law 1.4
Expansion of the Grain Dole - The grain dole will be expanded to feed all citizens, male, female, and children, that cannot afford to purchase food for the following year.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
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Aye. Although I suggest we are more specific then this in the Bill.

Law 1.5
All people that were exiled by Sulla will be allowed to return.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
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Aye

Law 1.6
Government salaries - all men employed by the senate for the coming year will be paid according to ability - A general will receive 3x military skill, an envoy will receive 2x intrigue skill. A bonus may be given to those who do exceptionally well, but they pay will be calculated at the beginning of every year the man is employed.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
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Nay. I advocate a case by case reward for successful Generals and other important figures, rather then an annual salary.

Law 1.7
For this year the 1st legion must be kept in Italia for peace keeping and will not be led by a general.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
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Abstain. Will need to discuss this with my fellow Consul.

Law 1.8
A General who conquers a province will automatically become the governor of that province. In case two generals co-conquered the province, the general with the greatest amount of contribution to the war effort will become the governor.

Proposed by: Rufus Amidarus Laconibus
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Aye

OOC: Sorry to be brief, don't have a lot of time tonight what with Xmas preparations!
 
Marsicus [Eltain]

I am openly and unashamedly against the re-instating of the Grachii reforms. Thus I would vote nay on law 1.3.

Law 1.4: Aye.

Law 1.7: Aye. (Not Roma however.)

Law 1.8: Aye, at the discretion of the Consuls.

Abstain on other propositions for now.

[OOC: I am aware we are not voting yet.]
 
Law 1.1
The war in Pannonia - two legions, II and III, will be sent to Pannonia to deal with the raids and if possible, conquer the province.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
Lets get this one on the road ASAP.

Law 1.2
The position of Tribune of the Plebeians, abolished by Sulla, will be reestablished.
Proposed by: Titus Lucretius Longus (momo1000)
Yes .

Law 1.3
Reenactment of the Gracchii Reforms - A limit will be put upon all Ager Publicus land that is leased to others. The limit will be larger than before at 750 Iugera, 250 Iugera for the eldest son and another 200 for the second son.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
No. There is a reason why Patricians and Plebs are of different classes. It is our duty to look into the best interests of our own kinds.

Law 1.4
Expansion of the Grain Dole - The grain dole will be expanded to feed all citizens, male, female, and children, that cannot afford to purchase food for the following year.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
Okay.

Law 1.5
All people that were exiled by Sulla will be allowed to return.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
Okay.

Law 1.6
Government salaries - all men employed by the senate for the coming year will be paid according to ability - A general will receive 3x military skill, an envoy will receive 2x intrigue skill. A bonus may be given to those who do exceptionally well, but they pay will be calculated at the beginning of every year the man is employed.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
Doubtful proposition, why must a general earn more than the envoy ? As it is, its a known fact that a general gains a lot of extra "loot" after a campaign/battle. Everyone's base payout must be 2*skill level.

Law 1.7
For this year the 1st legion must be kept in Italia for peace keeping and will not be led by a general.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)
Okay.
Law 1.8
A General who conquers a province will automatically become the governor of that province. In case two generals co-conquered the province, the general with the greatest amount of contribution to the war effort will become the governor.
Proposed by: Rufus Amidarus Laconibus
Doubtful proposition, as there might be a lot of infighting if this is to be implemented. A brilliant move in the battle might fail, out of sheer luck, while plain dumb inefficiency might do otherwise. I propose, in such an event, the governorship to be decided by the Senate, after a proper discussion.
 
In the absence of anybody coming up with any new laws in the preceeding ~12 hours,
Laws proposals are now closed.

Laws to be Voted On:

Law 1.1: The war in Pannonia - two legions, II and III, will be sent to Pannonia to deal with the raids and if possible, conquer the province.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)

Law 1.2: The position of Tribune of the Plebeians, abolished by Sulla, will be reestablished.
Proposed by: Titus Lucretius Longus (momo1000)

Law 1.3: Reenactment of the Gracchii Reforms - A limit will be put upon all Ager Publicus land that is leased to others. The limit will be larger than before at 750 Iugera, 250 Iugera for the eldest son and another 200 for the second son.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)

Law 1.4: Expansion of the Grain Dole - The grain dole will be expanded to feed all citizens, male, female, and children, that cannot afford to purchase food for the following year.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)

Law 1.5: All people that were exiled by Sulla will be allowed to return.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)

Law 1.6: Government salaries - all men employed by the senate for the coming year will be paid according to ability - A general will receive 3x military skill, an envoy will receive 2x intrigue skill. A bonus may be given to those who do exceptionally well, but they pay will be calculated at the beginning of every year the man is employed.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)

Law 1.7: For this year the 1st legion must be kept in Italia for peace keeping and will not be led by a general.
Proposed by: Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius (erez87)

Law 1.8: A General who conquers a province will automatically become the governor of that province. In case two generals co-conquered the province, the general with the greatest amount of contribution to the war effort will become the governor.
Proposed by: Rufus Amidarus Laconibus
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Voting Format
Please vote in the following format:

Law 1.1: Aye
Law 1.2: Aye
Law 1.3: Nay
Law 1.4: Abstain
... and so on

substituting Ayes, Nays, and Abstains where you will.

Please bold your votes. If you have voted prior to this point please vote again, otherwise you will not be counted. If you wish to change your vote please edit your original post.

Given it is Christmas, I will give you 96 hours or until everybody has voted, to vote.

Also, Merry Christmas. Bah humbug.
 
Tiberius Tertinius Pachomius

Law 1.1 Aye
Law 1.2 Aye
Law 1.3 Aye
Law 1.4 Aye
Law 1.5 Aye
Law 1.6 Aye
Law 1.7 Aye
Law 1.8 Nay

And for easier voting just copy paste:
Law 1.1
Law 1.2
Law 1.3
Law 1.4
Law 1.5
Law 1.6
Law 1.7
Law 1.8
 
Marsicus [Eltain]

Law 1.1 Aye.
Law 1.2 Nay.
Law 1.3 Nay.
Law 1.4 Aye.
Law 1.5 Aye.
Law 1.6 Aye.
Law 1.7 Aye.
Law 1.8 Aye.
 
Law 1.1 Aye
Law 1.2 Nay
Law 1.3 Nay
Law 1.4 Aye
Law 1.5 Aye
Law 1.6 Aye
Law 1.7 Aye
Law 1.8 Aye
 
Law 1.1 Aye.
Law 1.2 Nay.
Law 1.3 Nay.
Law 1.4 Aye.
Law 1.5 Aye.
Law 1.6 Nay.
Law 1.7 Abstain.
Law 1.8 Aye.
 
Revising votes.

Law 1.1 Aye.
Law 1.2 Nay.
Law 1.3 Nay.
Law 1.4 Aye.
Law 1.5 Aye.
Law 1.6 Nay.
Law 1.7 Abstain.
Law 1.8 Aye.
 
Law 1.1 aye
Law 1.2 nay
Law 1.3 nay
Law 1.4 aye
Law 1.5 aye
Law 1.6 aye
Law 1.7 aye
Law 1.9 nay

OOC: Sorr for inactivety, I've had very little internet access. This post is from my phone. Should get better after christmas.
 
Gnaeus Cornelius Optitus
Law 1.1 Aye
Law 1.2 Aye
Law 1.3 Aye
Law 1.4 Aye
Law 1.5 Aye
Law 1.6 Aye
Law 1.7 Aye
Law 1.8 Nay

Ooc: same as above will get better after New year
 
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