Lectures, lectures, lectures - anyone listening?

Kyriakos

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It isn't unusual to not like what one does for money. Lectures (either on classical literature, or philosophy) are part of my paid gigs. After some years i am ok at it, if i can be bothered to give a crap - which i should, when it is paid work.
I do find it pointless, in that i am presenting something for a few hours, in a generally informal setting. Not that the actual presentation is of a worse level than at uni (many uni lectures are far worse), but it still is not tied to a course, nor to any larger progression; it is just lecturing/presenting stuff to an audience, for reasons of europhilia (ie wanting to be given a few more euros).

Distinction between more serious (let alone more serious in my own view) work, like writing my own stuff, and more routine/needed work like lectures or even translations, has been an issue, but that too is somewhat over with now. In general it is not great to have to move from one type of work to another, and things get lost. Sometimes, though, things may be picked up. Eg in the most recent lecture - yesterday - i thought of something about Borges that i hadn't thought before.

Still, a person of such high worth as myself simply cannot be made to present basic stuff again and again. I am wondering why i am not given a few thousand euros, so that i can stop giving lectures and translating, and can instead focus on my writing.
Ultimately, i think that giving lectures hasn't helped me at all. Well, it did help with some social stuff, but now it is just boring. I am also wondering if people make use of anything they hear during such a lecture. I know i couldn't care less about the majority of uni lectures, and avoided going to the amphitheatre when possible. I would pay attention to lecturers i did like. But at least that was a uni setting.

I sometimes think that the only one listening to me is the measly 20 euro banknote paid (on average) for each of the 1,5 hour lectures.

-Do you go to any lectures?
-Do you like lectures?
-The creatures outside looked from lecture to euro banknote, and from euro banknote to lecture, and from lecture to euro banknote again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
 
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I wouldn't do it for that little.

If the topic is interesting I'd go to a lecture, but now with the internet, I'd be more likely to find something on-line and listen in the comfort of my own home. I only want to go to theaters for entertainment like concerts, and movies. (and I don't go to many movies anymore since I'd prefer to watch them at home also)
 
Attending talks and workshops is most of what I do on a day-to-day basis. So yes, I go to them, and I get a lot out of them. If you don't feel you're getting much out of giving the lecture, that almost comes through to the people listening to the lecture. It's very much a "you get out of it what you put into it" sort of thing.
 
Attending talks and workshops is most of what I do on a day-to-day basis. So yes, I go to them, and I get a lot out of them. If you don't feel you're getting much out of giving the lecture, that almost comes through to the people listening to the lecture. It's very much a "you get out of it what you put into it" sort of thing.

Well, yes. It always is an issue to be doing work you don't like.
I do try, out of respect for the audience - and also instinct of self-preservation ;) - to be decent in the lectures. At any rate the audience usually seems to be happy with what was presented. I am not. Verba volant. (i do provide texts too, though, but that is another issue for me).
 
So you have to give an hour and a half lecture (which surely takes some additional hours to prepare for) and provide written material and they are only paying you ~20 euros?

Yeah I wouldn't be happy about it either. But I guess the question is what other opportunities do you have? In any case that's a raw deal. Sorry.
 
So you have to give an hour and a half lecture (which surely takes some additional hours to prepare for) and provide written material and they are only paying you ~20 euros?

Yeah I wouldn't be happy about it either. But I guess the question is what other opportunities do you have? In any case that's a raw deal. Sorry.

Yeah well: Greece + austerity = raw deal.

At least i don't have to prepare stuff, cause i already have it ready.

I would have been happier with 50 euro/lecture, definitely.
 
Well, dividing my monthly wage by hours I work every month i get about 12€ per hour, which is 18€ per hour and half.
 
Sounds more like slavery.
 
It is even funnier since i do a job of some responsability in the administration but i get less per hour than most supermarket employees.
 
Somehow I don't find any aspect of that humorous.
 
Taking it with humour is the only thing i can do about it. But it is not that terrible either. At least i cannot be fired.

So i will be poor forever.
 
When I was consulting I was charging 125 to 150 and hour but it was no beni's and I spent a considerable chunk hustling vs working so when I was offered a full time gig for around half of that, I jumped on it.
 
So it was about choosing uncertainty and wealth vs stability and less wealth. Would have chosen thet second option too. However here in Spain it usually is about choosing between uncertainty and poverty vs stability and poverty, so i can call myself fortunate.
 
everything is relative and must be judged accordingly. When I was younger, I probably would have chosen the former.
 
I enjoy the premise of them but often do not enjoy how they are executed. The lecture/seminar speakers I've encountered are very concerned with niche language or in forcing participation. I gain the most and enjoy it the most if I am an observer, not a participant, and so do not appreciate often being singled out with questions especially when the question is simplistic in nature. It comes across as a fairly obvious participation ploy ("get the audience engaged by asking them questions!") and it's something I don't possess much of an interest in.

20 euro for 90 minutes isn't worth it.
 
Yeah well: Greece + austerity = raw deal.

At least i don't have to prepare stuff, cause i already have it ready.

I would have been happier with 50 euro/lecture, definitely.
Can you negotiate a better deal? Or at least have a minimum of, say, 25 euros - and if they initially offer more just smile and say "yes"?

There aren't a lot of lectures that go on around here that interest me. It's not like anyone's lecturing on my kind of subjects. If I lived in Calgary I'd probably attend some (they have a planetarium there, several museums and heritage sites, university, and so on). They used to invite lecturers from the university to the science fiction conventions, to talk about various things, and they got Dr. Phil Currie from the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Paleontology one year, to do a weekend-long track of programming on dinosaurs and fossils.

I make do with stuff I find on YouTube.
 
Still, a person of such high worth as myself simply cannot be made to present basic stuff again and again.

Now, seems someone doesn't have any ego involved here at all.
Good that you're not a teacher.

So you have to give an hour and a half lecture (which surely takes some additional hours to prepare for) and provide written material and they are only paying you ~20 euros?

Yeah I wouldn't be happy about it either. But I guess the question is what other opportunities do you have? In any case that's a raw deal. Sorry.

mmhh... as researcher in the Netherlands (one of the better paying countries), I earn at the moment 13,something € per h, so that also makes 20 for 90 min. In an academic setting this doesn't seem to be special.
(if you consider Kyriakos as a freelancer in these regards, then this sure looks different)


On topic: Yes I do. Things like laymans lectures for the general public can be fun and interesting. I've been to things like Science Cafes and Astronomy on Tap (basically a limited science cafe), and to random lunch lectures at the university. Normally very interesting, if the speaker is good.
If I was invited to this (occasionally, not regularly), then I'd also do it. Looks good on the CV, might be interesting, could bring you in contact with interesting people.

But I think I just have a positive outlook on this :p.
 
Can you negotiate a better deal? Or at least have a minimum of, say, 25 euros - and if they initially offer more just smile and say "yes"?

There are two types of lecturing gig of this kind: municipal program (ussually for libraries), where candidates make official bids, and privately owned cultural center program, where the people who listen to the lectures pay (in the municipal ones the municipality pays you; people join for free). In the first type the lecturer is free to ask for whatever in a formal bid, and the offer can be accepted or not. Almost always i ask for 25 euro/hour there. In theory i could get more, but it is a gamble. In the second type the pay is decided by the final number of people who come to the lectures. So it can be more or less, depending on number and fee for participating, but the company takes a cut too (usually half of the revenue).

Now there are pros and cons to both types. The municipal programs are for larger programs. Eg my usual (final) pay for those would be (due to more hours of work) a few hundred euros per program (and one can apply to present more than one at any time). But the money is paid months later (eg at the end of the programs for the year). In the private cultural center ones the money is paid immediately, but is typically for a lot less hours, cause those coming to the lecture have to pay, and at this time money isn't exactly flowing.

As a job, it certainly is just to have a side income. Even translating is hugely more ""lucrative"", given any translation would pay (at least) a few hundred euros already, for a very small story, and more for larger ones. But it is a difficult market, until one becomes more known.

Now, seems someone doesn't have any ego involved here at all.

Well, i was being humorous, but yes :)

Good that you're not a teacher.

Indeed. That wouldn't really be for me, at all...
 
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