Sounds ok to me. of course one of the two might miss, but we could switch to RR at max science if needed, or if the first misses then wait on the second attempt to try again.
LK164 - CCM, AWM, Korea
- Thread starter LKendter
- Start date
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Pre-turn:
Lots of MM!
Sci slider to 50%, NA still due in 4
I change buidls in Tangier and West Coast, as discussed.
We have lots of unmoved units in and near Malmo, but I'm going to wait a turn or two to advance. There are enough enemy units visible that I need more defenders to cover my Cavalry.
IBT:
Aztec Frigate (or Ship of the Line?) sinks our Privateer at Nampo.
Scandinavia wants to talk. That's a trip.
Adventurer dies to our Cav 1-0
Second Adventurer dies to our Cav 2-0
At Nykoping, Adventurer dies to our Musket 3-0
Resistance in Malmo ends. City riots.
1904 AD:
Cav dies to Eastern Musketeer 3-1
Cav kills it 4-1
Enslaver kills Xbow 5-1
Grenadier dies to Cannon 5-2
Cav kills Hvy Arty 6-2
Asian Rider kills Cannon 7-2
I have a Musketeer pillage the mountain tile that LK was worried about. Oof. It had a Barricade. I have a second guy pillage the road.
Asian Rider routs a Prussian Dragoon near Seoul 8-2
Asian Cav retreats from Prussian Line Infantry
Asian Rider kills Adventurer 9-2
Asian Rider kills Late Pikeman, netting a Leader 10-2
Asian Cav kills Asian Musketeer, capturing a Settler 11-2
Asian Cav dies to Hvy Arty
11-3
Second Asian Cav kills it. 12-3
Asian Cav retreats
Asian Cav retreats
Asian Cav kills Asian Musketeer 13-3
Asian Rider kills Asian Musketeer 14-3
Lots of MM!
Sci slider to 50%, NA still due in 4
I change buidls in Tangier and West Coast, as discussed.
We have lots of unmoved units in and near Malmo, but I'm going to wait a turn or two to advance. There are enough enemy units visible that I need more defenders to cover my Cavalry.
IBT:
Aztec Frigate (or Ship of the Line?) sinks our Privateer at Nampo.
Scandinavia wants to talk. That's a trip.
Adventurer dies to our Cav 1-0
Second Adventurer dies to our Cav 2-0
At Nykoping, Adventurer dies to our Musket 3-0
Resistance in Malmo ends. City riots.
1904 AD:
Cav dies to Eastern Musketeer 3-1
Cav kills it 4-1
Enslaver kills Xbow 5-1
Grenadier dies to Cannon 5-2
Cav kills Hvy Arty 6-2
Asian Rider kills Cannon 7-2
I have a Musketeer pillage the mountain tile that LK was worried about. Oof. It had a Barricade. I have a second guy pillage the road.
Asian Rider routs a Prussian Dragoon near Seoul 8-2
Asian Cav retreats from Prussian Line Infantry
Asian Rider kills Adventurer 9-2
Asian Rider kills Late Pikeman, netting a Leader 10-2
Asian Cav kills Asian Musketeer, capturing a Settler 11-2
Asian Cav dies to Hvy Arty
11-3Second Asian Cav kills it. 12-3
Asian Cav retreats
Asian Cav retreats
Asian Cav kills Asian Musketeer 13-3
Asian Rider kills Asian Musketeer 14-3
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
IBT:
Persian Horse Arty kills our Cav 14-4
Greece declares war on South Africa.
1905 AD:
Enslaver captures Xbow 15-4
Pistolreiter kills Golden Horde 16-4
Camel Musketeer kills Arty 17-4
Asian Rider retreats from Adventurer
Asian Rider kills Adventurer, promotes 18-4
Asian Rider kills Adventurer 19-4
Dokkaebi retreats
Asian Cav kills Adventurer 20-4
Asian Rider kills Adventurer 21-4
Asian Cav kills Horse Arty 22-4
Chinje founded.
Persian Horse Arty kills our Cav 14-4
Greece declares war on South Africa.
1905 AD:
Enslaver captures Xbow 15-4
Pistolreiter kills Golden Horde 16-4
Camel Musketeer kills Arty 17-4
Asian Rider retreats from Adventurer
Asian Rider kills Adventurer, promotes 18-4
Asian Rider kills Adventurer 19-4
Dokkaebi retreats
Asian Cav kills Adventurer 20-4
Asian Rider kills Adventurer 21-4
Asian Cav kills Horse Arty 22-4
Chinje founded.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
IBT:
XB dies to our Musket on the Spanish/Mongol front. 23-4
Maghreb drops a Settler in the tundra, near our Iron colony.
1906 AD:
Winged Hussar kills Asian Musketeer 24-4
Battle of Almalik:
Asian Cav retreats
Asian Cav retreats
Asian Cav kills Firelancer 25-4
Asian Cav kills Firelancer 26-4
Asian Rider kills wounded Firelancer and takes the city 27-4
Asian Rider narrowly kills Adventurer 28-4
Asian Cav kills Adventurer 29-4
IBT:
XBow dies to our Musket next to Almalik 30-4
Adventurer dies to Cav on the same tile 31-4
Spain declares on Mongolia!
Napoleonic Age > Democracy (
Wonsan riots due to propaganda.
Almalik riots as resistance ends
1907 AD:
I set the science slider to 30%; Democracy due in 6.
Battle of Murcia:
Asian Rider charges...and dies 31-5
A second one does no damage 31-6
A third Rider also dies 31-7
Cav retreats
Cav kills Spanish Infantry WW1 32-7
Cav kills Pike 33-7
Cav kills Pike; we now control the Spanish Treasure Fleet! 34-7
Stray units near Almalik:
Asian Rider retreats
Asian Rider kills MDI 35-7
Asian Rider kills Eastern Cannon 36-7
Asian Cav kills Golden Horde 37-7
Asian Rider kills XBow 38-7
Yogi converts Spear 39-7
I culture-bomb Almalik
Winged Hussar kills Firelancer 40-7
Near Yellow Dot:
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 41-7
XB dies to our Musket on the Spanish/Mongol front. 23-4
Maghreb drops a Settler in the tundra, near our Iron colony.
1906 AD:
Winged Hussar kills Asian Musketeer 24-4
Battle of Almalik:
Asian Cav retreats
Asian Cav retreats
Asian Cav kills Firelancer 25-4
Asian Cav kills Firelancer 26-4
Asian Rider kills wounded Firelancer and takes the city 27-4
Asian Rider narrowly kills Adventurer 28-4
Asian Cav kills Adventurer 29-4
IBT:
XBow dies to our Musket next to Almalik 30-4
Adventurer dies to Cav on the same tile 31-4
Spain declares on Mongolia!
Napoleonic Age > Democracy (
Wonsan riots due to propaganda.
Almalik riots as resistance ends
1907 AD:
I set the science slider to 30%; Democracy due in 6.
Battle of Murcia:
Asian Rider charges...and dies 31-5
A second one does no damage 31-6
A third Rider also dies 31-7
Cav retreats
Cav kills Spanish Infantry WW1 32-7
Cav kills Pike 33-7
Cav kills Pike; we now control the Spanish Treasure Fleet! 34-7
Stray units near Almalik:
Asian Rider retreats
Asian Rider kills MDI 35-7
Asian Rider kills Eastern Cannon 36-7
Asian Cav kills Golden Horde 37-7
Asian Rider kills XBow 38-7
Yogi converts Spear 39-7
I culture-bomb Almalik
Winged Hussar kills Firelancer 40-7
Near Yellow Dot:
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 41-7
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
IBT:
Eastern Cav dies against our Musket 42-7
Camel kills our Musket near Almalik 42-8
Camel kills our Cav near Almalik 42-9
MDI dies to our Musket on the Iron colony 43-9
1908 AD:
Cav kills Late Pikeman near our Iron colony 44-9
Cav kills invisible unit near Samsung. Must have landed with the Maghreb guys. 45-9
Battle of Ulaanbaatar:
Asian Rider kills Firelancer 46-9
Asian Rider gets gunned down 46-10
Yogi captures Firelancer and the city 47-10
Enslaver dies to XBow 47-11
Enslaver kills Mongolian Worker and captures a second one in the stack. I'm not adding this to the military count because the worker couldn't actually kill the Enslaver! 47-11
Battle of Darkhan:
Asian Cav kills Firelancer 48-11
Asian Rider kills Firelancer. City is ours 49-11
Cav kills Firelancer and captures a Mongolian Settler 50-11
I missed taking end-of-turn images here :\
IBT:
Spain declares on China!
1909 AD:
Asian Rider dies to Prussian Line Inf 50-12
Asian Cav kills Heavy Arty 51-12
Asian Cav kills Prussian Line Inf 52-12
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cannon 53-12
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cannon 54-12
Asian Cav dies to Eastern Cannon 54-13
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cannon 55-13
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 56-13
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 57-13
Asian Rider retreats from Nizam Inf
Asian Rider kills Nizam Infantry 58-13
Asian Rider retreats from Prussian Musket Infantry
Hwach'a kills Prussian Musket Infantry 59-13
Eastern Cav dies against our Musket 42-7
Camel kills our Musket near Almalik 42-8
Camel kills our Cav near Almalik 42-9
MDI dies to our Musket on the Iron colony 43-9
1908 AD:
Cav kills Late Pikeman near our Iron colony 44-9
Cav kills invisible unit near Samsung. Must have landed with the Maghreb guys. 45-9
Battle of Ulaanbaatar:
Asian Rider kills Firelancer 46-9
Asian Rider gets gunned down 46-10
Yogi captures Firelancer and the city 47-10
Enslaver dies to XBow 47-11
Enslaver kills Mongolian Worker and captures a second one in the stack. I'm not adding this to the military count because the worker couldn't actually kill the Enslaver! 47-11
Battle of Darkhan:
Asian Cav kills Firelancer 48-11
Asian Rider kills Firelancer. City is ours 49-11
Cav kills Firelancer and captures a Mongolian Settler 50-11
I missed taking end-of-turn images here :\
IBT:
Spain declares on China!
1909 AD:
Asian Rider dies to Prussian Line Inf 50-12
Asian Cav kills Heavy Arty 51-12
Asian Cav kills Prussian Line Inf 52-12
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cannon 53-12
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cannon 54-12
Asian Cav dies to Eastern Cannon 54-13
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cannon 55-13
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 56-13
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 57-13
Asian Rider retreats from Nizam Inf
Asian Rider kills Nizam Infantry 58-13
Asian Rider retreats from Prussian Musket Infantry
Hwach'a kills Prussian Musket Infantry 59-13
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
IBT:
Spain and Australia sign peace.
German unit pillages a tile at the edge of our lands, near the red dot location.
Arab camel kills one of our Muskets 59-14
1910 AD:
Battle of Dalanzadgad:
Asian Cav kills Firelancer 60-14
Asian Cav kills another Firelancer and rides into the city 61-14
Battle of Mandalgovi:
Asian Cav dies on a Firelancer 61-15
Asian Rider dies, no damage 61-16
Asian Cav retreats
Siege continues...
Cav kills XBow near Beja 62-16
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 63-16
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 64-16
Lawyer approaches a third Eastern Cav, who would rather die than sign 65-16
IBT:
Eastern Cav rides down our overconfident Line Inf 65-17
Siege Xbow skewers our Rider on the Mongolian front 65-18
Camel scares a Rider to death on the Mongolian front 65-19
Spain is building National Monument
Tokyo completes Eiffel Tower
1911 AD:
Dokkaebi kills Asian Musketeer (India) 66-19
eCav dies to a second Asian Musketeer 66-20
Near the capital...
Asian Cav dies to Eastern Cav 66-21
Asian Cav kills Prussian Line Infantry 67-21
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 68-21
Asian Rider kills German Musketeer 69-21
Grenadier dies to Eastern Musketeer 69-22
A second Grenadier redeems the company and kills Eastern Musketeer 70-22
Boom Shakalaka blows up German Musketman 71-22
Asian Cav kills Arabian Cannon 72-22
Lawyer dies to Napoleonic Camel Corps 72-23
Second Lawyer kills it. 73-23
Asian Cav kills German Musketman 74-23
Mongolia...
Pistolreiter kills redlined Asian Musketeer 75-23
Battle of Daidu?
Asian Cav retreats
Sinaju Night Tiger 2 dies to Firelancer 75-24
Winged Hussar kills Firelancer 76-24
Winged Hussar kills Late Pikeman 77-24
Yogi converts Camel Musketeer 78-24
City holds for the moment.
Siege of Mandalgovi:
Asian Rider narrowly kills Firelancer 79-24
Asian Rider kills Firelancer 80-24
Asian Cav dies to Pike
80-25
Asian Cav rides over the Pike through the city gates 81-25
Spain and Australia sign peace.
German unit pillages a tile at the edge of our lands, near the red dot location.
Arab camel kills one of our Muskets 59-14
1910 AD:
Battle of Dalanzadgad:
Asian Cav kills Firelancer 60-14
Asian Cav kills another Firelancer and rides into the city 61-14
Battle of Mandalgovi:
Asian Cav dies on a Firelancer 61-15
Asian Rider dies, no damage
61-16Asian Cav retreats
Siege continues...
Cav kills XBow near Beja 62-16
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 63-16
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 64-16
Lawyer approaches a third Eastern Cav, who would rather die than sign 65-16
IBT:
Eastern Cav rides down our overconfident Line Inf 65-17
Siege Xbow skewers our Rider on the Mongolian front 65-18
Camel scares a Rider to death on the Mongolian front 65-19
Spain is building National Monument
Tokyo completes Eiffel Tower
1911 AD:
Dokkaebi kills Asian Musketeer (India) 66-19
eCav dies to a second Asian Musketeer 66-20
Near the capital...
Asian Cav dies to Eastern Cav 66-21
Asian Cav kills Prussian Line Infantry 67-21
Asian Cav kills Eastern Cav 68-21
Asian Rider kills German Musketeer 69-21
Grenadier dies to Eastern Musketeer 69-22
A second Grenadier redeems the company and kills Eastern Musketeer 70-22
Boom Shakalaka blows up German Musketman 71-22
Asian Cav kills Arabian Cannon 72-22
Lawyer dies to Napoleonic Camel Corps 72-23
Second Lawyer kills it. 73-23
Asian Cav kills German Musketman 74-23
Mongolia...
Pistolreiter kills redlined Asian Musketeer 75-23
Battle of Daidu?
Asian Cav retreats
Sinaju Night Tiger 2 dies to Firelancer
75-24Winged Hussar kills Firelancer 76-24
Winged Hussar kills Late Pikeman 77-24
Yogi converts Camel Musketeer 78-24
City holds for the moment.
Siege of Mandalgovi:
Asian Rider narrowly kills Firelancer 79-24
Asian Rider kills Firelancer 80-24
Asian Cav dies to Pike
80-25Asian Cav rides over the Pike through the city gates 81-25
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
IBT:
Spanish Infantry WW1 kills our Musket 81-26
Resistance in Mandalgovi ends!
Beijing completes Olympic Games
1912 AD:
Yogi kills redlined Spanish Infantry WW1 82-26
Siege of Daidu continued:
Asian Rider kills Firelancer 83-26
Asian Rider dies on pike-point 83-27
Asian Cav narrowly kills Pike 84-27
Asian Cav kills redlined Pike 85-27
Winged Hussar dies to Camel Musketeer 85-28
Winged Hussar kills Camel Musket 86-28
Pistolreiter dies to Siege XBow 86-29
OH COME ON!
I don't have any units left to attack, so I abandon the assault.
Asian Cav kills Asian Musketeer (India) 87-29
Near Seoul:
Asian Cavalry kills Eastern Musketeer 88-29
Asian Cav kills Arabian Line Infantry 89-29
Asian Cav dies on Arabian Line Infantry 89-30
Eastern Horse Arty kills Eastern Musketeer 90-30
Asian Cav kills Eastern Musketeer 91-30
Asian Cav kills Eastern Musketeer 92-30
Asian Cav kills Eastern Musketeer 93-30
Asian Cav narrowly kills Arabian Line Infantry 94-30
Asian Cav kills Musketman 95-30
Asian Rider kills Musketman 96-30
Lawyer kills Xbow 97-30
Enslaver kills Xbow 98-30
Asian Rider kills Xbow 99-30
Asian Rider kills Xbow 100-30
We steal Industrialization from South Africa for 4412 gold.
A second steal attempt fails
Spanish Infantry WW1 kills our Musket 81-26
Resistance in Mandalgovi ends!
Beijing completes Olympic Games
1912 AD:
Yogi kills redlined Spanish Infantry WW1 82-26
Siege of Daidu continued:
Asian Rider kills Firelancer 83-26
Asian Rider dies on pike-point 83-27
Asian Cav narrowly kills Pike 84-27
Asian Cav kills redlined Pike 85-27
Winged Hussar dies to Camel Musketeer 85-28
Winged Hussar kills Camel Musket 86-28
Pistolreiter dies to Siege XBow
86-29OH COME ON!
I don't have any units left to attack, so I abandon the assault.
Asian Cav kills Asian Musketeer (India) 87-29
Near Seoul:
Asian Cavalry kills Eastern Musketeer 88-29
Asian Cav kills Arabian Line Infantry 89-29
Asian Cav dies on Arabian Line Infantry 89-30
Eastern Horse Arty kills Eastern Musketeer 90-30
Asian Cav kills Eastern Musketeer 91-30
Asian Cav kills Eastern Musketeer 92-30
Asian Cav kills Eastern Musketeer 93-30
Asian Cav narrowly kills Arabian Line Infantry 94-30
Asian Cav kills Musketman 95-30
Asian Rider kills Musketman 96-30
Lawyer kills Xbow 97-30
Enslaver kills Xbow 98-30
Asian Rider kills Xbow 99-30
Asian Rider kills Xbow 100-30
We steal Industrialization from South Africa for 4412 gold.
A second steal attempt fails
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
IBT:
Workers captured.
I HATE ADVENTURERS
We lose a Cav, arty, and Musket near Seoul. 100-33
Spanish Infantry kills our Musket W of Daidu 100-34
Democracy > RR
Seoul riots
I thought it was balanced before the IBT...
Several other cities riot, so I scroll ahead to prevent more. I have to tweak several cities.
The Colossus goes obsolete, but that shouldn't account for such a drastic number of riots. Civinator, does the Colossus give +1 happiness in all cities?
1913 AD:
Daidu (for way too long):
Asian Cav dies on a Pike 100-35
Asian Cav kills Pike 101-35
Asian Cav kills Missionary of some sort and FINALLY takes the city 102-35
Asian Rider kills German Adventurer next to Chinje 103-35
Cav recaptures our lost Worker
Asian Cav dies to Prussian Horse Artillery 103-36
Asian Cav FINALLY kills the Prussian Horse Artillery. You'd think an attack 8 vs. def 4 would be easy...but nooo... 104-36
Asian Cav retreats from Musketman. Again, def 4. Pathetic.
Asian Rider swoops in to kill the Musketman. 105-36
Asian Rider kills Prussian Grenadier 106-36
Asian Cavalry kills Napoleonic Camel Corps 107-36
Asian Rider kills redlined Spanish Infantry 108-36
Asian Cav kills Indian Musket 109-36
Asian Cav retreats from Indian Musket
Pistolreiter kills MDI 110-36
Musketeer kills wounded Musketeer 111-36
Asian Cav narrowly kills Spanish Inf WW1 112-36
Hwach'a kills Pike 113-36
I suspect that the Mongols are a houseboat civ, but I wasn't 100% sure. Just in case, I'll attach the previous turn's save.
Workers captured.
I HATE ADVENTURERS
We lose a Cav, arty, and Musket near Seoul. 100-33
Spanish Infantry kills our Musket W of Daidu 100-34
Democracy > RR
Seoul riots
I thought it was balanced before the IBT...Several other cities riot, so I scroll ahead to prevent more. I have to tweak several cities.
The Colossus goes obsolete, but that shouldn't account for such a drastic number of riots. Civinator, does the Colossus give +1 happiness in all cities?
1913 AD:
Daidu (for way too long):
Asian Cav dies on a Pike 100-35
Asian Cav kills Pike 101-35
Asian Cav kills Missionary of some sort and FINALLY takes the city 102-35
Asian Rider kills German Adventurer next to Chinje 103-35
Cav recaptures our lost Worker
Asian Cav dies to Prussian Horse Artillery 103-36
Asian Cav FINALLY kills the Prussian Horse Artillery. You'd think an attack 8 vs. def 4 would be easy...but nooo... 104-36
Asian Cav retreats from Musketman. Again, def 4. Pathetic.
Asian Rider swoops in to kill the Musketman. 105-36
Asian Rider kills Prussian Grenadier 106-36
Asian Cavalry kills Napoleonic Camel Corps 107-36
Asian Rider kills redlined Spanish Infantry 108-36
Asian Cav kills Indian Musket 109-36
Asian Cav retreats from Indian Musket
Pistolreiter kills MDI 110-36
Musketeer kills wounded Musketeer 111-36
Asian Cav narrowly kills Spanish Inf WW1 112-36
Hwach'a kills Pike 113-36
I suspect that the Mongols are a houseboat civ, but I wasn't 100% sure. Just in case, I'll attach the previous turn's save.
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The Colossus gives no happiness at all - but please don´t forget that you have stolen the tech Industrialization and this makes the GW Wavel obsolete, a wonder that provides every city with + 1 happiness.
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Please keep science at 4 turns. Lowering it and hoping for a good steal is a roll of the dice. I prefer not to gamble.
Mongolia still has one city somewhere per Map Stat. They are NOT a houseboat civ.
I haven’t loaded the game, so they may already be under construction. Please make sure both small wonders from democracy are under construction.
It is nice to see we are only 4 turns from laying railroads.
ROSTER:
Multiple civs are probably south of Seoul. Please don’t explore much that direction.
I planned out 4 cities in the area. For now I don’t want to explore further until those 4 cities are built.
Spy targets = Germany (theocracy), Spain (theocracy), Aztec (democracy), Greece (theocracy), and Arabia (democracy). They are the 5 tech leaders. Remember, we can’t steal from republics. Spies in the other civs are a waste.
We just need to get ahead enough to build any wonder for our GA.
LKendter (on deck)
Jersey Joe
Elephantium
Greebley (up)
Mongolia still has one city somewhere per Map Stat. They are NOT a houseboat civ.
I haven’t loaded the game, so they may already be under construction. Please make sure both small wonders from democracy are under construction.
It is nice to see we are only 4 turns from laying railroads.
ROSTER:
Multiple civs are probably south of Seoul. Please don’t explore much that direction.
I planned out 4 cities in the area. For now I don’t want to explore further until those 4 cities are built.
Spy targets = Germany (theocracy), Spain (theocracy), Aztec (democracy), Greece (theocracy), and Arabia (democracy). They are the 5 tech leaders. Remember, we can’t steal from republics. Spies in the other civs are a waste.
We just need to get ahead enough to build any wonder for our GA.
LKendter (on deck)
Jersey Joe
Elephantium
Greebley (up)
Based on our having 2 settlers, I made the following dot map moving the placement of red dot southeast by 1 tile. Part of the reason I placed white dot where I did is that it will have almost 0 corruption. Also, red dot is based so it integrates with the blue border (persia?) that is visible.
The above is just one thought. Red dot where Lee originally had it works well. White dot could then be used to push the border further south or east.
The above is just one thought. Red dot where Lee originally had it works well. White dot could then be used to push the border further south or east.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I didn't set either of the Democracy small wonders yet.
For placement -- Wonsan or SK Hynix are high-shield and low corruption. Capitol could be built in about 10 turns.
A bit further afield, Olsztyn would be a powerhouse with the drop in corruption. Capitol will take closer to 15 turns there.
Constitution is cheaper -- 7 turns in Wonsan, a bit more elsewhere. Or just rush it near the front with the next Leader (and switch the city building it to Factory).
Re: dotmap, I'm on board with either plan. We'll need somewhere to put the second city either way. An alternative might be SE-ish of Yellow Dot. I just wouldn't put a new city on the other side of the gems -- that would tempt contact with Turkey.
Speaking of contact, we've been lucky to avoid Turkey so far, but still -- we should probably beef up our forces in the Yellow Dot area. Arabia has been sending larger and larger stacks, and once Red Dot is settled, we can start considering a push into Persia (maybe during LK's turnset? Depends on how hot the area stays).
Finally -- I probed into Greek territory a bit, but ship bombardments make a push there seem unlikely. We'll have better luck reconnecting the road with the Scandinavian colonies E of Nykoping. In the meantime, Spain will keep our Cavs busy.
For placement -- Wonsan or SK Hynix are high-shield and low corruption. Capitol could be built in about 10 turns.
A bit further afield, Olsztyn would be a powerhouse with the drop in corruption. Capitol will take closer to 15 turns there.
Constitution is cheaper -- 7 turns in Wonsan, a bit more elsewhere. Or just rush it near the front with the next Leader (and switch the city building it to Factory).
Re: dotmap, I'm on board with either plan. We'll need somewhere to put the second city either way. An alternative might be SE-ish of Yellow Dot. I just wouldn't put a new city on the other side of the gems -- that would tempt contact with Turkey.
Speaking of contact, we've been lucky to avoid Turkey so far, but still -- we should probably beef up our forces in the Yellow Dot area. Arabia has been sending larger and larger stacks, and once Red Dot is settled, we can start considering a push into Persia (maybe during LK's turnset? Depends on how hot the area stays).
Finally -- I probed into Greek territory a bit, but ship bombardments make a push there seem unlikely. We'll have better luck reconnecting the road with the Scandinavian colonies E of Nykoping. In the meantime, Spain will keep our Cavs busy.
If it was not for the possibility it might flip, Stockholm would be another good spot for the Capitol. Flip risk was why I did not put the Military Academy there.
I saw that Turkey has another horse colony and we never had contact while they built the road and colony. They must have ninja workers.
Also, i noticed a Maghreb(?) colony in our lands in the far north, west of Napata.
A Railnet leading back to Seoul, will help with the defense of Blue, Yellow, and Red dot. Actually, we should learn Explosives in 4 turns after Rails for double speed Workers and Steamrollers. We could use Factories or Gas Holders as prebuilds in the cities not producing troops. Cities with 20-24 shields (after corruption) not using engineers per turn could start their prebuilds right now adding more of the higher shield producers each turn. Maybe exempt the cities that can build Cavalry in 2 turns. This way we can quickly build a decent number of Steamrollers without needing to cash rush.
Steel requires about 20% more beakers to learn than another tech in this age. Lee talked about stopping research at Explosives, this might be a better spot to go for steals. If we drop research to Zero we should have enough gold to try 3-4 steals in the next 8 turns.
Assuming 3 steal attempts we have a 93.6% chance to get Steel, a 64.8 % chance to get Steel and Imperialism, and a 21.6% chance to get Steel, Imperialism and a Tech from the Industrial Ages.
If we can make 4 attempts, the chances are 97.44% chance to get Steel, a 82.08 % chance to get Steel and Imperialism, a 47.52% chance to get Steel, Imperialism and a Tech from the Industrial Ages, and a 12.96% chance to get Steel, Imperialism and 2 Techs from the Industrial Ages.
Of course if our first 2 steals are successful, we might have the option of being able to research either Marine Engineering or Transcontinental Railroad, giving us a shot at a Wonder.
I saw that Turkey has another horse colony and we never had contact while they built the road and colony. They must have ninja workers.
Also, i noticed a Maghreb(?) colony in our lands in the far north, west of Napata.
A Railnet leading back to Seoul, will help with the defense of Blue, Yellow, and Red dot. Actually, we should learn Explosives in 4 turns after Rails for double speed Workers and Steamrollers. We could use Factories or Gas Holders as prebuilds in the cities not producing troops. Cities with 20-24 shields (after corruption) not using engineers per turn could start their prebuilds right now adding more of the higher shield producers each turn. Maybe exempt the cities that can build Cavalry in 2 turns. This way we can quickly build a decent number of Steamrollers without needing to cash rush.
Steel requires about 20% more beakers to learn than another tech in this age. Lee talked about stopping research at Explosives, this might be a better spot to go for steals. If we drop research to Zero we should have enough gold to try 3-4 steals in the next 8 turns.
Assuming 3 steal attempts we have a 93.6% chance to get Steel, a 64.8 % chance to get Steel and Imperialism, and a 21.6% chance to get Steel, Imperialism and a Tech from the Industrial Ages.
If we can make 4 attempts, the chances are 97.44% chance to get Steel, a 82.08 % chance to get Steel and Imperialism, a 47.52% chance to get Steel, Imperialism and a Tech from the Industrial Ages, and a 12.96% chance to get Steel, Imperialism and 2 Techs from the Industrial Ages.
Of course if our first 2 steals are successful, we might have the option of being able to research either Marine Engineering or Transcontinental Railroad, giving us a shot at a Wonder.
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We still want our GA. Any wonder is good.
My intent on explosives was delaying it in favor of democracy. We already have democracy complete. Let us stay full tilt on techs.
I can't believe Persia is so close. I am so glad I concentrated north. This is why we are in good shape right now. It followed LK163 path of taking out a civ before a lot of contacts.
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Malcolm was a very good cat.
Re: railnet, we have a lot of workers near Seoul, so getting the "Dot" cities connected should be a breeze. Same for getting a rail from Stockholm to Moscow-ish. I think it'll take longer to connect that leg to Seoul, based on worker placement. BUT -- once that's done, it'll help a lot with Spain. I'm anticipating high losses vs. their WW1 infantry.
Re: Maghreb colony, I figured we could capture the city once it grows or border-pops. In the meantime, I put a couple of Cavs at our Iron colony to keep 'em in line.
Re: Persia, if we'd followed the "normal" expansion pattern of building new cities in all directions, I dare say we'd have eliminated Persia by now -- but still be skirmishing with Poland (and probably fighting Turkey).
Re: research, minimum is 30% (or we have to raise the lux slider), limiting the cash-boosting effect to ~1500 gpt (which translates to 1 steal every 3-4 turns). And after the failed steal during my set, I'm inclined to agree with LK about staying full tilt on techs.
Re: Maghreb colony, I figured we could capture the city once it grows or border-pops. In the meantime, I put a couple of Cavs at our Iron colony to keep 'em in line.
Re: Persia, if we'd followed the "normal" expansion pattern of building new cities in all directions, I dare say we'd have eliminated Persia by now -- but still be skirmishing with Poland (and probably fighting Turkey).
Re: research, minimum is 30% (or we have to raise the lux slider), limiting the cash-boosting effect to ~1500 gpt (which translates to 1 steal every 3-4 turns). And after the failed steal during my set, I'm inclined to agree with LK about staying full tilt on techs.
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ROSTER:
Multiple civs are probably south of Seoul. Please don’t explore much that direction.
I planned out 4 cities in the area. For now I don’t want to explore further until those 4 cities are built.
Spy targets = Germany (theocracy), Spain (theocracy), Aztec (democracy), Greece (theocracy), and Arabia (democracy). They are the 5 tech leaders. Remember, we can’t steal from republics. Spies in the other civs are a waste.
We just need to get ahead enough to build any wonder for our GA.
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Greebley (up)
Multiple civs are probably south of Seoul. Please don’t explore much that direction.
I planned out 4 cities in the area. For now I don’t want to explore further until those 4 cities are built.
Spy targets = Germany (theocracy), Spain (theocracy), Aztec (democracy), Greece (theocracy), and Arabia (democracy). They are the 5 tech leaders. Remember, we can’t steal from republics. Spies in the other civs are a waste.
We just need to get ahead enough to build any wonder for our GA.
LKendter (on deck)
Jersey Joe
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Greebley (up)
The southern railnet should go to Visby (Military Academy = barracks) then north to Moscow, sorta following Greebley's straight line road.
Research and Luxury can both be set to 0% and have the full 100% as revenue. When the next turn starts we get 100% revenue, but the game then resets research to 30%. So every turn you have to decrease it back to 0% to get 100% revenue.
New idea/strategy: After we learn Railroads, we might have accumulated enough gold to attempt a steal. We should not steal Explosives, it is the least expensive of the remaining techs in this age. We should continue to accumulate gold and attempt to steel Steel. If we are close to having enough gold to attempt a second steal we should go 0% research for 1 turn and attempt a steal before returning to the normal 4 turn full tilt research.
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We are at the no flexibility point of the tech tree. Explosives, Steel and Imperialism must be researched in that exact order. There is no reason to try and play games for stealing right now. Go full tilt on research.
I am for full tilt research.
I am against trying to steal Explosives after we learn Railroads. I do not think trying to steal Explosives is as cost effective as waiting and trying to steal Steel.
The base cost for Explosives is 666 beakers less than the base cost for railroads. If we study Explosives there is a good chance we can lower the research slider from 60% to 50%.
The base cost for Steel is 1344 higher than railroads. 70% research may not produce enough beakers to let us learn Steel in 4 turns.
So what I suggest is that we do not attempt to steal Explosives, but study it for 4 turns and accumulate more gold. We will definatly have enough gold to attempt to steal Steel and possibly enough gold left to attempt a second steal.
Looking ahead, if we are going to go for Marine Engineering and building the Blue Riband, we should build it in Axum. Therefore, we should immediately build a Drydock there. The Drydock will give it more net shields per turn than a factory.
I am against trying to steal Explosives after we learn Railroads. I do not think trying to steal Explosives is as cost effective as waiting and trying to steal Steel.
The base cost for Explosives is 666 beakers less than the base cost for railroads. If we study Explosives there is a good chance we can lower the research slider from 60% to 50%.
The base cost for Steel is 1344 higher than railroads. 70% research may not produce enough beakers to let us learn Steel in 4 turns.
So what I suggest is that we do not attempt to steal Explosives, but study it for 4 turns and accumulate more gold. We will definatly have enough gold to attempt to steal Steel and possibly enough gold left to attempt a second steal.
Looking ahead, if we are going to go for Marine Engineering and building the Blue Riband, we should build it in Axum. Therefore, we should immediately build a Drydock there. The Drydock will give it more net shields per turn than a factory.
