man's flag confiscated for a day for flying it upside-down.

[candle]

wait...

candle, which flag are you talking about? The flag of the USA, or the stars and bars?

Because I'd find it really hilarious for a racist, pro-slavery, anti-constitution traitor to be supporting the flag of the nation that beat his rebellious people back into submission and forced them to act like decent humans.

I support in this order

The Lone Star
Stars and Bars
Old Glory

 

[Bill3000]

how hard is it to figure out, it wasnt agasint the law, when we opened fire.

I'm pretty sure it was against the law to attempt to seize federal property and open fire against the federal army.

The Lone Star
Stars and Bars
Old Glory

 

[cardgame]

how hard is it to figure out, it wasnt agasint the law, when we opened fire. It was being discussed but it would have continued into the 20th century if not for the Civil War. Abram Lincon used it to condone the war. It was not a reason behind it, and that is something you must understand. And you want to know why following there was racial hatred. How about the fact when the north abolished slavery the slaves where given state funds and given state lands on the frointier or given a small house in a city. After the Civil War our farms where taken and given to the slaves, or we had to pay from our own pockets usally meaning selling the land anyway, no state or national funds here. Other times the land would be given partially to the slaves, instead of relocating them like in the north as well. What the North did was take away our land, or livly hood and give it to those we viewed as our servants and then gave them domain over us during reconstruction. Thats why the racism started entirly.

But the war was never about slavery untill the south said so.

@ bolded: and you say it wasn't about slavery? That the North used it as an excuse?

As to the part about redistribution: it's called WAR REPARATIONS

 

[Cutlass]

how hard is it to figure out, it wasnt agasint the law, when we opened fire. It was being discussed but it would have continued into the 20th century if not for the Civil War. Abram Lincon used it to condone the war. It was not a reason behind it, and that is something you must understand. And you want to know why following there was racial hatred. How about the fact when the north abolished slavery the slaves where given state funds and given state lands on the frointier or given a small house in a city. After the Civil War our farms where taken and given to the slaves, or we had to pay from our own pockets usally meaning selling the land anyway, no state or national funds here. Other times the land would be given partially to the slaves, instead of relocating them like in the north as well. What the North did was take away our land, or livly hood and give it to those we viewed as our servants and then gave them domain over us during reconstruction. Thats why the racism started entirly.

But the war was never about slavery untill the south said so. I find your lack of proper education on the Civil War very sad

And it doesn't occur to you that maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't have committed the treason of opening fire? You started the war after all. The people who start a war have no business whining that they lost.

 

[Zack]

No longer did we have an equal say, no longer could we actully protest to get the laws changed, from that point forward we relied on our represenitives to do so, and most of the time they dont live up to there promise. So no America isnt America anymore

What country are you living in?

no we got screwed over by the north. And when we tried to fight back, we where turned into villians. That is why to this day the North and South do not get along, the further south you go, we remember and we dont forget the crimes commited agasint us. We are the real patriots, and we will rise again

Do you own slaves?

One thing everyone forgets is by the Civil War only the wealthy southerns had slaves. Most of the south tended there own lands by this point. But that fact is conviently forgot again to villianize the south.

Yes, because rich people can throw all of their morals out the window.

 

[Formaldehyde]

The good thing about the Confederate Battle Flag is that you can fly it upside down and the police won't confiscate it.

It's amazing how the Civil War has become everything but a war over slavery in some people's minds. We should call them slavery deniers.

 

[candle]

I'm pretty sure it was against the law to attempt to seize federal property and open fire against the federal army.


Traitor, then. Certainly not a patriot.

wrong again.

First of all Im a texan, and every Texan views his state as being more then the other 49. Texas was its own Nation and we fought tooth and nail to get it, and that heritage is a big part of who we are.

Next the Stars and Bars and Confederacy has more in common with the founding idea's of america than old glory

 

[Bill3000]

First of all Im a texan, and every Texan views his state as being more then the other 49. Texas was its own Nation and we fought tooth and nail to get it, and that heritage is a big part of who we are.

This is the primary reason why Texas is questionable in its patriotism and every Texan is suspected to be a traitor by default.

Next the Stars and Bars and Confederacy has more in common with the founding idea's of america than old glory

Nope.

 

[cardgame]

Next the Stars and Bars and Confederacy has more in common with the founding idea's of america than old glory

Oh really?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.

 

[Zack]

First of all Im a texan, and every Texan views his state as being more then the other 49.

Wrong.

I am a Texan, and I am utterly disgusted that you would make such a bogus generalization about the state that I live in. You sir, have officially crossed the line. Do NOT make such an idiotic claim that everyone who lives in Texas is an arrogant fool who beats people up for burning flags, and definitely do NOT say that every Texan thinks he is better than everyone else. Because you are dead wrong, and don't try to deny it. You and your vigilante group don't represent 20 million people.

 

[Zelig]

First of all Im a texan, and every Texan views his state as being more then the other 49.

Not me. I'm Texan, but it was too hot, so I'm living in Canada.

 

[Hundegesicht]

I support in this order

The Lone Star
Stars and Bars
Old Glory

Then I guess you don't pay attention to the part where it says "no flag may be flown higher than the American flag." Honestly, I don't understand how you can call yourself a patriot at all, since every single thing that you've said about the union has been vile.

how hard is it to figure out, it wasnt agasint the law, when we opened fire. It was being discussed but it would have continued into the 20th century if not for the Civil War. Abram Lincon used it to condone the war. It was not a reason behind it, and that is something you must understand. And you want to know why following there was racial hatred. How about the fact when the north abolished slavery the slaves where given state funds and given state lands on the frointier or given a small house in a city. After the Civil War our farms where taken and given to the slaves, or we had to pay from our own pockets usally meaning selling the land anyway, no state or national funds here. Other times the land would be given partially to the slaves, instead of relocating them like in the north as well. What the North did was take away our land, or livly hood and give it to those we viewed as our servants and then gave them domain over us during reconstruction. Thats why the racism started entirly.

Sounds pretty fair, actually. You were just paying your "servants" back the wages they were denied their entire lives.

Actually, what would have been fair would be to kick all of you out of your fancy southern houses and made you live in the slave shacks until you had paid off every cent owed for decades of backbreaking labor. IMO, the only problem with reconstruction is it didn't go far enough towards making right the travesties that were committed against slaves.

 

[candle]

Wrong.

I am a Texan, and I am utterly disgusted that you would make such a bogus generalization about the state that I live in. You sir, have officially crossed the line. Do NOT make such an idiotic claim that everyone who lives in Texas is an arrogant fool who beats people up for burning flags, and definitely do NOT say that every Texan thinks he is better than everyone else. Because you are dead wrong, and don't try to deny it. You and your vigilante group don't represent 20 million people.

then why a few months ago was Texas Seccsion being discussed everywhere in the State? Talk to some fellow texans out in the country, ignore houston and dallas hell come to Fort Worth and talk to Native Texans about there view on America and American's. We call ourselves Texans for a reason. We are proud of where we come from, we are proud of what we have gained no thanks to the US. When we fought our war of Indepdance did the American Government lift its finger to help. During the Mexican American war, where not the troops mostly Texans. In our entiry history we have been bleed by the other states for our abundant resources much like what is happening to Alaska today. I do speak for my people because our own Govenor has stated is distaste with America himself.

 

[Dachs]

you sir are ignorant, and i suspect never actully bothered to look at the southern histroy leading up to the Civil War. Remember we fired the first shot.

Edmund Ruffin, a rebel, fired the first shot, and it was directed at Fort Sumter.

Next the Stars and Bars and Confederacy has more in common with the founding idea's of america than old glory

Nah, America left because they couldn't participate in the elections. The South got to participate and left because they got pissed when the guy they hated won.

 

[Zack]

then why a few months ago was Texas Seccsion being discussed everywhere in the State? Talk to some fellow texans out in the country, ignore houston and dallas hell come to Fort Worth and talk to Native Texans about there view on America and American's. We call ourselves Texans for a reason. We are proud of where we come from, we are proud of what we have gained no thanks to the US. When we fought our war of Indepdance did the American Government lift its finger to help. During the Mexican American war, where not the troops mostly Texans. In our entiry history we have been bleed by the other states for our abundant resources much like what is happening to Alaska today. I do speak for my people because our own Govenor has stated is distaste with America himself.

Being discussed everyone in the state? Nobody supported secession except for you and your Confederate chain gang.

And you're asking me to ignore the two most populated regions of Texas? Oh, and Forth Worth is 45 minutes away from Dallas.

 

[candle]

Then I guess you don't pay attention to the part where it says "no flag may be flown higher than the American flag." Honestly, I don't understand how you can call yourself a patriot at all, since every single thing that you've said about the union has been vile.



Sounds pretty fair, actually. You were just paying your "servants" back the wages they were denied their entire lives.

Actually, what would have been fair would be to kick all of you out of your fancy southern houses and made you live in the slave shacks until you had paid off every cent owed for decades of backbreaking labor. IMO, the only problem with reconstruction is it didn't go far enough towards making right the travesties that were committed against slaves.

The south has yet to recover from Reconstruction, we where permanitly broken by you yankee's. Thank god texas evaded most of it, we being Texans moved all powers to the Lt Govenor by vote right before the new Govenor from the North Arrived, meaning he had only powers given to him by the Federal Government not state powers. The reason we pulled this off was the Union never actully invaded texas, we came back when the other cowards gave up, the south never did have the spirt of a Texan to fight untill either your dead or your enemy is. But because of this our state government was left very much intact and we modified and ratified the state consition right before the new Govenor came here, and our current one wasnt bothered he was being demoted to LT anyway

 

[Cutlass]

then why a few months ago was Texas Seccsion being discussed everywhere in the State? Talk to some fellow texans out in the country, ignore houston and dallas hell come to Fort Worth and talk to Native Texans about there view on America and American's. We call ourselves Texans for a reason. We are proud of where we come from, we are proud of what we have gained no thanks to the US. When we fought our war of Indepdance did the American Government lift its finger to help. During the Mexican American war, where not the troops mostly Texans. In our entiry history we have been bleed by the other states for our abundant resources much like what is happening to Alaska today. I do speak for my people because our own Govenor has stated is distaste with America himself.

The secession talk was because there is a vocal minority in Texas that's every bit as anti-American as al Qaeda.

 

[FriendlyFire]

so did George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams. does that make them villians as well?

One thing everyone forgets is by the Civil War only the wealthy southerns had slaves. Most of the south tended there own lands by this point. But that fact is conviently forgot again to villianize the south.

Apparently 43% of the south was wealthy enough to own slaves which was 1/3rd the total population. But that "fact" is conviently forgotten by people whom are civil war revisionist.

Support for secession was strongly correlated to the number of plantations in the region; states of the deep South which had the greatest concentration of plantations were the first to secede. The upper South slave states of Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, and Tennessee had fewer plantations and rejected secession until the Fort Sumter crisis forced them to choose sides. Border states had fewer plantations still and never seceded.[35][36][37] As of 1850 the percentage of Southern whites living in families that owned slaves was 43 percent in the lower South, 36 percent in the upper South and 22 percent in the border states that fought mostly for the Union.[37] 85 percent of slaveowners who owned 100 or more slaves lived in the lower South, as opposed to one percent in the border states.[37] Ninety-five percent of blacks lived in the South, comprising one third of the population there as opposed to one percent of the population of the North

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

You do know that Jefferson did take up with hes slaves after hes wife died ? A common practise in the south it seems. Other interesting bits of fact was hes changing stance and later anti slavery position.

 

[Dachs]

The south has yet to recover from Reconstruction, we where permanitly broken by you yankee's.

It never should recover. Kill it with fire.

 

[candle]

Being discussed everyone in the state? Nobody supported secession except for you and your Confederate chain gang.

And you're asking me to ignore the two most populated regions of Texas? Oh, and Forth Worth is 45 minutes away from Dallas.

And Fort Worth hates Dallas and its people, there is a very intense rivialry between us because of how Dallas conducts itself. And yes it was widely dicussed i heard it walking through the grocery store. Though the beautiful part is Texas isnt a leagal state under the Federal Governments own laws of statehood. We where voted in under a closed session of congress by a sub comitee, state hood requires and open session of the full congress. Texas is a state by force not willingness. Because not only on that end was it wrongfully done, Sam Houston ignored the popular views of Texans agasint statehood and did it anyway. Then again what do you expect from the traitor who was sent here to capture texas anyway from Washington.