You're not wrong that the rich muslim countries should be doing more. But are we really helped by flooding them with bitter young men just as those countries are about to undergo their poverty bomb?
Migrant Crimes Add Volatile Element to Austrias Election
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To paraphrase 'Mohammed Khan' in 'The Lives of the Bengal Lancers'
'We have ways to make you behave.'
http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2010/01/lives-of-bengal-lancer-we-have-ways-to.html
There will be a second wave of migrations. And it's going to be much more radicalized.
There are so few actual solutions to a problem that built up over decades.
There are so few actual solutions to a problem that built up over decades.
Why?
There'll be another wave if the West allows it.
Europe's throwing open their lands to people who don't understand European ways and don't want to learn is foolish.
The USA opened it's doors to migrants who were of Judeo-Christian cultures (like the Americans themselves). Trouble free ... no ... but they didn't have to effectively renounce their religion to assimilate.
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Asylum is a human right.
But I guess it's pretty foolish to actually give a damn about human rights and not just use them as a pretext to drop bombs on people.
Where did I post " ... drop bombs on people"?
As for asylum being a human right, do all people agree on that?
Or is this another 'there are different rules for them and us.
Or maybe it's because they (Saudis and Gulf Arabs) aren't human so don't need to follow this human right rule. (I assume it's a natural law all humans recognize ... right?)
What is or isn't a human right has to bow to the reality that rich countries can't accept an infinite number of people, no matter the reason.
Ask Sweden.
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No, not all people agree to that. The leaders of Saudi Arabia don't.
Maybe you think the behaviour of the house of Saud is an good benchmark for ethics. I have higher standards and think it should go without question that we're better than this hateful, brutal and tyrannical kingdom.
Maybe you think the behaviour of the house of Saud is an good benchmark for ethics. I have higher standards and think it should go without question that we're better than this hateful, brutal and tyrannical kingdom.
No, but at least the House of Saud is thinking first of it's people.
Isn't that what governments are formed for?
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Are you genuinely out of your mind ?
No, why would you post that?
How is it wrong?
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Because it is unfathomable to me that a serious and sane person could post that.
Unless you're willing to genocide, you're not going to stop economic refugees.
I guess you could try to impoverish them that they cannot afford to move, too. Like sub-Saharan economic refugees have trouble 'cause they literally would die en route.
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Isn't that a bit hypocritical coming from the person who brought themi into the discussion in the first place? Surely Saudi Arabia is not the only place where there's people who don't think Asylum is a human right.
It's like saying: "Well, Hitler didn't believe that we need 50/50 gender quotas, do you want to be like Hitler?" - of course you'll get a silly answer when you bring up a silly comparison.
Beheading a criminal who may have murdered, raped, or any number of heinous crimes is wrong.Because it is unfathomable to me that a serious and sane person could post that.
Be specific.
Akka
Moody old mage.
They are free to elect a government which will vote laws against such exploitation.
(as a side note, I'm all for a worldwide movement for taking down the power of multinationals, erasing tax evasion and crushing lobbying)
They are allowed to go elsewhere.
Others countries have ABSOLUTELY NO OBLIGATIONS to take them in. So yeah of course they should be deported if they enter a country which doesn't want them. I'm tired of hearing we have some kind of Holy Duty to accept anyone who wants in. No we don't.
That's one of the most cowardly (and inefficient, it's very very obvious) dodging I've ever seen.
Actually yes they do. It's called "being a nation". A group of people has the right to decide who joins them and who doesn't. We humans are a tribal species.
Saudi Arabia is like if ISIS were openly allied to the US. It executes people for such things as blasphemy
Yes and I'm sure the CIA will do nothing
If they're not taken in, then they're not being allowed to go elsewhere
States have no intrinsic moral rights, and don't represent the people living inside them. Saying ''humans are a tribal species'' is also wrong
Yes and I'm sure the CIA will do nothing
If they're not taken in, then they're not being allowed to go elsewhere
States have no intrinsic moral rights, and don't represent the people living inside them. Saying ''humans are a tribal species'' is also wrong
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