Migrant Crimes Add Volatile Element to Austrias Election
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Just make the rule such that you deport everyone who is single and with more than 100 ng/dL testosteron in their blood then.
Totally non-sexist and relatively easily applied.
Totally non-sexist and relatively easily applied.
Keep in mind, there are no solutions. There are only lesser evils. You can't fill a land with money under its soil, make it a pawn between nuclear powers for decades, smash it with smart missiles and strawmen, and then subject it to a huge and extended drought without there being problems.
I know, I know. Governments could have just sunk refugee ships. That would have prevented the refugee crisis from spilling as much as it did. But merely slowing the arrival of refugees isn't the only strategic goal in the region. No one was dealt a good hand. Austria is a member of NATO, and their allies had a huge crisis building that was fundamentally a security one.
No one was dealt a good hand here. There was literally no way to prevent the refugee crisis built by politicians who are now retired outside of a widespread genocide.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
A widespread genocide seems to be a fairly popular solution for the refugee problem amongst some circles.
Even here, with all our proud and mighty leftist segment.
Even here, with all our proud and mighty leftist segment.
I'm pretty sure that describing luiz as a "leftist" isn't very accurate.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
True, but OT has been always totted as some sort of a leftist circlejerk (to borrow a phrase from Reddit. I know, I know).
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
At least the scarecrows are on the ground.
Can't say the same about windmills.
Can't say the same about windmills.
Hahaha, reddit didn't invent circlejerking. They didn't even invent hugboxing or echo chambering.
I think that OT's got a fairly high proportion of leftists by varying stripes, but it's also got a number of loud non-leftists, and those are mostly the types who suggest these sorts of things.
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If you really have floating or flying Windmills where you come from you should share that technology, because that could really come in handy against earthquakes.
Who suggested genocide of refugees or anyone else for that matter? Care to provide a quote?
Or are you making stuff up?
If the windmills are not on the ground then where are they?
Commodore said:
luiz said:
What are alternatives that involve not accepting refugees? Shoving thousands of people into refugee camps in Turkey has some pretty big problems associated with it, and it's not like refugee camps can become militarized or anything
Yes, there are solutions, and there were solutions. The deal with Turkey showed that it's very easy to nearly completely stop the flow of refugees if the Turks don't look the other way, as they were doing before regarding the human smugglers. No refugee boat had to be torpedoed, no genocide took place.
So lets stop with this ridiculous line.
I also note how you insist on your traditional "its all the West's fault" line of reasoning that completely overlooks all sorts of components to the Syrian crisis that have little or nothing to do with the West, such as the Cold War going in the Middle East between Iran and Saudi Arabia, or the religious hatred between Islamic sects that is much older than NATO, the EU or the US (or even our conception of "the West"). Or how about the Syrians themselves? The only organized alternatives they came up with are murderous dictator Assad and crazy murderous Islamists. There's no good side to pick in Syria because the Syrians never came up with a good side.
The other people in the world are not just passive victims completely devoid of agency; they're also capable of screwing up.
Being sent to a refugee camp in Turkey may not be pleasant (nobody said refugees are entitled to pleasantness), but it's not akin to genocide or torpedoing boats. This sort of hysterical and dishonest rhetoric serves no purpose other than making the people using it look like fools out of touch with reality. It's certainly not being bought by the people, judging by recent electoral results and the radical backtracks of several European governments on their refugee stance.
Anyway, the point that a lot of people made was never that all refugees are illegitimate or whatever. It was always that Merkel made the crisis much worse by essentially accepting everybody in, and openly stating she wouldn't enforce the EU's asylum rules. This caused a huge influx of people who were not refugees at all - Moroccans, Egyptians, Pakistanis, and hordes of people from the West Balkans.
What people have also been saying is that Europe can't take millions of refugees in one year, specially because they tend to concentrate in just a few countries. Realism must speak louder than all other considerations; see what happened to Sweden and how they completely backtracked from their historical refugee stance.
The hordes of young males who made it to Germany or Sweden are not particularly vulnerable and are certainly not escaping from a war zone, as they crossed several safe countries. So there's no reason why Germany or Sweden should accept millions of them, and in fact it's simply not possible to do so.
Now Europe is turning to the far-right.
(BTW there's still a chance that the far-right won't win in Austria, it's too close to call. But the message was given loud and clear anyway.)
Edit: Also, do you know that Brazil offered to take on 100,000 Syrians? But less than 15,000 took on the offer, because salaries are low and welfare benefits are scarce in Brazil. Again, there is nothing wrong with being an economic migrant and trying to make it to a country with brighter prospects. But lets not confuse that with refugees in need of protection from immediate danger. When the shopping for the most attractive location starts, the refugee status ends.
You should address the other thread where you were utterly ridiculed.
And no, Austria isn't Europe. But the far-right isn't rising only in Austria, it's all over. It's a real European phenomena.
Austria is not NATO member.
Don't know how I overlooked that!
I guess debate just dies when one side starts accusing the other of wanting to commit genocide.
I'm still of waiting for them providing quotes of the people here who advocated genocide. As far as I'm aware that's a criminal offense in most countries, so action should be taken against these people.
Unless... they don't exist, and the usual suspects were just making stuff up.
Is that a snarky comment or just more nonsense, luiz? I think one thread of addressing nonsense is quite enough.
And you think this is solely because of 2016 immigration? I guess you've never heard of Front National or UKIP then. Far-right movements have been gaining votes for years. In short, it has been a 'European phenomenon' for years. I'm just guessing, of course, but it might have something to do with neo-liberal policies and the European left apparently being clueless how to address that with a valid alternative.
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