Mr. Ted Stevens – You are free to go.

Or they simply didn't care how corrupt and dishonest he really was. There was a poll conducted in South Carolina a few years after Nixon left office in disgrace, and the majority of people would have voted for him again.

Possibly, but the man was found guilty and is now getting off on a technicality. In the eyes of the law he might be "innocent" but in the eyes of the (sane) people he's guilty as sin

Plus there's reasons not to vote for someone in legal trouble even if you believe they are completely innocent.
 
Or they simply didn't care how corrupt and dishonest he really was. There was a poll conducted in South Carolina a few years after Nixon left office in disgrace, and the majority of people would have voted for him again.
Like Stalin today (in Russia).
 
Possibly, but the man was found guilty and is now getting off on a technicality. In the eyes of the law he might be "innocent" but in the eyes of the (sane) people he's guilty as sin

He didn't get of on a technicality. The prosecution withheld evidence, one bit being their star witness completely contradicting himself. The fact that they prosecution doesn't want to go to trial again, legally this time, should tell you something about the actual merits of the case.
 
He didn't get of on a technicality. The prosecution withheld evidence, one bit being their star witness completely contradicting himself. The fact that they prosecution doesn't want to go to trial again, legally this time, should tell you something about the actual merits of the case.
The old man isn't worth the resources needed for the uphill climb that was created by the first botched case. He's sitting at home looking at Russia from his rebuilt porch. Mission Accomplished. Move on to something worth the effort.
 
Possibly, but the man was found guilty and is now getting off on a technicality. In the eyes of the law he might be "innocent" but in the eyes of the (sane) people he's guilty as sin.

And so was Nixon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

Plus there's reasons not to vote for someone in legal trouble even if you believe they are completely innocent.

For many people, yes. But I'd contend that for many others it doesn't really matter as long as the same crime wasn't committed by a black or other minority, or vice versa. Then, it suddenly becomes a huge deal. Adam Clayton Powell comes immediately to mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Clayton_Powell,_Jr.
 
He didn't get of on a technicality.

I bet you wouldn't be saying that if he wasn't a Republican. Funny how that works, huh?

The prosecution withheld evidence, one bit being their star witness completely contradicting himself.

How could you possibly know he was the "star witness" or how important he was to the actual case from this one article? How could you possibly know what other witnesses the prosecution had in his place? Omniscient again?

The fact that they prosecution doesn't want to go to trial again, legally this time, should tell you something about the actual merits of the case.

Yes, it tells me that the Democrat federal prosecutors actually have some scruples, unlike their Republican counterparts who completely bungled this completely obvious case of congressional corruption. It also tells me they saw little need to go ahead with a case against an 85-year-old ex-US senator now that he has been stripped of his office and his dignity, especially given how it would likely be spun as overt partisanship by the neocons and Fox News during the retrial.

Your position that Stevens is completely innocent of all wrongdoing is patently absurd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens

He placed a secret hold on a bill that would allow easier accountability and research of all federal funding measures.
He has received criticism for his support of perceived pork barrel projects such as the Gravina Island Bridge and the Knik Arm Bridge (collectively known as the "Bridges to Nowhere" by their opponents).


He threatened to resign from the Senate if Congress targeted only Alaska's annual transportation funds to help repair Louisiana in the wake of Hurricane Katrina damage if not required from every other state proportionally.[citation needed] The funding would have been redirected from funds restricted by Congress for Alaskan bridges.

Citizens Against Government Waste is a frequent critic of Stevens' affinity for pork barreling and keeps a list of his projects.[49] Additionally, he received criticism for introducing a bill[50] in January 2007 that would heavily restrict access to social networking sites from public schools and libraries. Sites falling under the language of this bill could include MySpace, Facebook, Digg, Wikipedia and Reddit.[51][52][53]

In 2007, Stevens added $3.5 million into a Senate spending bill to help finance an airport to serve a remote Alaskan island.[54] The airstrip would connect the roughly 100 permanent residents of Akutan, but the biggest beneficiary is the Seattle-based Trident Seafoods Corp. that operates "one of the world’s largest seafood processing plants on the volcanic island in the Aleutians."[54] In December 2006, a federal grand jury investigating political corruption in Alaska ordered Trident and other seafood companies to produce documents about ties to the senator’s son, former Alaska Fisheries Marketing Board Chairman Ben Stevens.[54] Trident’s chief executive, Charles Bundrant, is a longtime supporter of Sen. Stevens, and Bundrant with his family contributed $17,300 since 1995 to Ted Stevens’ political campaigns and $10,800 to his leadership PAC while Bundrant also gave $55,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee.[54]

In December 2003, the Los Angeles Times reported that Stevens had taken advantage of lax Senate rules to use his political influence to obtain a large amount of his personal wealth.[55] According to the article, while Stevens was already a millionaire "thanks to investments with businessmen who received government contracts or other benefits with his help," the lawmaker who is in charge of $800 billion a year, writes "preferences he wrote into law" that he benefits from.[55]

May 29, 2007, the Anchorage Daily News reported that the FBI and a federal grand jury were investigating an extensive remodeling project at Stevens' home in Girdwood. Stevens' Alaska home was raided by the FBI and IRS on July 30, 2007.[56][57] The remodeling work doubled the size of the modest home. Public records show that the house was 2,471 square feet (230 m2) after the remodeling and that the property was valued at $271,300 in 2003, including a $5,000 increase in land value.[58] The remodel in 2000 was organized by Bill Allen, a founder of the VECO Corporation, an oil-field service company and has been estimated to have cost VECO and the various contractors $250,000 or more.[59] However, the residential contractor who finished the renovation for VECO, Augie Paone, "believes the [Stevens'] remodeling could have cost ― if all the work was done efficiently ― around $130,000 to $150,000, close to the figure Stevens cited last year."[60] The Stevens paid $160,000 for the renovations "and assumed that covered everything."[61]

In June, the Anchorage Daily News reported that a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., heard evidence in May about the expansion of Stevens' Girdwood home and other matters connecting Stevens to VECO.[62] In mid-June, FBI agents questioned several aides who work for Stevens as part of the investigation.[63] In July, Washingtonian magazine reported that Stevens had hired "Washington’s most powerful and expensive lawyer", Brendan Sullivan Jr., in response to the investigation.[64] In 2006, during wiretapped conversations with Bill Allen, Stevens expressed worries over potential misunderstandings and legal complications arising from the sweeping federal investigations into Alaskan politics.[65][66] On the witness stand, "Allen testified that VECO staff who had worked on his own house had charged 'way too much,' leaving him uncertain how much to invoice Stevens for when he had his staff work on the senator's house ... that he would be embarrassed to bill Stevens for overpriced labor on the house, and said he concealed some of the expense."[67]
 
I bet you wouldn't be saying that if he wasn't a Republican. Funny how that works, huh?

Actually the funny thing is you are saying its a technicality just because it is a Republican.

How could you possibly know he was the "star witness" or how important he was to the actual case from this one article? How could you possibly know what other witnesses the prosecution had in his place? Omniscient again?

I am not sure if you know this, but the trail already happened. Keep up.

The judge doesn't have to overturn convictions because of any old mistep by the prosecution, they do it when those misteps obviously changed the outcome of the case.

It also tells me they saw little need to go ahead with a case against an 85-year-old ex-US senator now that he has been stripped of his office and his dignity, especially given how it would likely be spun as overt partisanship by the neocons and Fox News during the retrial.

And thats the problem, and why you are now exposed as a yammering hack yet again. He was not stripped of his office, a specific official action, he lost in an election.mainly based on an unsupportable prosecution for suspected corruption. And now that Justice not only screwed up the original trial, but also doesn't have the competance to follow their own mistake up, he is no longer a criminal and is restored to favor with everyone who was ever going to like him anyway.

Is that supposed to be the end game for extreme government corruption, you get to retire happily to your country estate? Or are you supposed to be held accountable by the rule of law if the means to do so exists?

Yes, it tells me that the Democrat federal prosecutors actually have some scruples, unlike their Republican counterparts who completely bungled this completely obvious case of congressional corruption.

There you go, pretending this has anything to do with politics. Isn't funny I have gone this who thread without mentioning Republicans or Democrats yet somehow you seem to think think I give a damn about laying it at either party's feet. Please keep your main compuslive projecting to yourself.

Your position that Stevens is completely innocent of all wrongdoing is patently absurd.

There you go again, arguing with yourself :rolleyes:

Please feel fee to quote where I said Stevens was innocent. Perhaps while you are searching in vain you will discover where I THINK he is corrupt, which is of course not the same thing as there being a case for prosecuting him.
 
Actually the funny thing is you are saying its a technicality just because it is a Republican.

Actually, the funny thing is that you keep jumping to preposterous conclusions such as this.

And thats the problem, and why you are now exposed as a yammering hack yet again..

You must go through a lot of mirrors.

He was not stripped of his office, he lost in an election however tainted by wrongful prosecution as it was..

By "wrongful prosecution"? no. By incompetent and/or stupid Republican prosecutors? Yes.

And now that Justice not only screwed up the original trial, but also doesn't have the competance to follow their own mistake up, he is no longer a criminal and is restored to favor with everyone who was ever going to like him anyway.

Only by those who don't mind criminals as long as they are white and think the same way they do.

There you go, pretending this has anything to do with politics.

Did you miss the part where the federal prosecution happened while GWB was in office? The politics part comes with you trying to rationalize it while claiming it cost the Republicans a seat.

Please feel fee to quote where I said Stevens was innocent. Perhaps while you are searching in vain you will discover where I THINK he is corrupt, which is of course not the same thing as there being a case for prosecuting him.

That's what I love the most about your apologist rationalizations. Even when the person is obviously guilty of the crimes, you are still going to try to defend his acts while claiming:

Talk about stolen elections...
 
Actually, the funny thing is that you keep jumping to preposterous conclusions such as this.

:lol:

Yeah, thats why I was ranting about political motives this whol thread. Oh wait, that was YOU.

By "wrongful prosecution"? no. By incompetent and/or stupid Republican prosecutors? Yes.

Or rather one that could not be substantiated by evidence, or did you miss the judge throwing the case and verdict out based on prosecutorial miss conduct?

Only by those who don't mind criminals as long as they are white and think the same way they do.

There you go, failing to read the OP again. Something very specific has to have happened for one to be a criminal, guess what it is!

Did you miss the part where the federal prosecution happened while GWB was in office? The politics part comes with you trying to rationalize it while claiming it cost the Republicans a seat.

There you go projecting again. :nono:

Wait, so now I am rationalizing? Please look that word up again, you are doing it wrong. You do inadvertantly bring up a good point, namely how exactly can I be claiming political mechanizations when GWB was in fact in office at the time (that and the fact I haven't claimed any mechanizations, but I forget we are dealing with you here...).

That's what I love the most about your apologist rationalizations. Even when the person is obviously guilty of the crimes, you are still going to try to defend his acts while claiming:

Couldn't find a quote? Oh, isn't that sad for you :(

Better luck next time, hang in there little root :pat:
 
What the hell? How? I heard the tape which they caught him with. How in seven hells can a case be dismissed with such evidence?
 
What the hell? How? I heard the tape which they caught him with. How in seven hells can a case be dismissed with such evidence?

Misconduct by the prosecutors. The prosecutors are now under investigation.
 
Wow! They didn't convict him? Was it rigged or something? Wow...that is just said.

Maybe he escaped through the intertubes.
 
No, they did convict him. But the conviction is being overturned because the prosecutors completely screwed up.
 
This is an April's fool, right?


Right?


:(

U.S. to Drop Case Against Ex-Senator From Alaska

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department moved on Wednesday morning to drop all charges against former Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, who narrowly lost his seat last year shortly after being convicted on seven felony counts of ethics violations.

In a stunning development, Justice Department lawyers told a federal court that they had discovered a new instance of prosecutorial misconduct in the case and asked that the convictions be voided. Attorney General Eric F. Holder Jr. said that in the interests of justice there would be no new trial in the case.

Mr. Stevens, who is 85, had been the longest serving Republican in the history of the Senate. He had been charged with lying on Senate disclosure forms by concealing an estimated $250,000 worth of goods and services he received, mostly to renovate a chalet he owned in Alaska. Prosecutors said he received the bulk of the goods and services from Bill Allen, a longtime friend who had made a fortune by providing services to Alaska’s booming oil industry.

But in their filing on Wednesday, government lawyers said that trial prosecutors had concealed from Mr. Stevens’s defense lawyers the notes from an interview with Mr. Allen that raised significant doubts about the charges. Among other things, Mr. Allen asserted in the interview that the work on the Stevens home was worth only about $80,000, they said.

Mr. Stevens’s lawyers argued that he had been unaware of the help he received from Mr. Allen and did not intentionally conceal anything. Mr. Allen was the prosecution’s chief witness, and he provided forceful testimony aimed at demonstrating that Mr. Stevens was fully aware of the largesse he had received and even signaled he wanted it concealed.

Attorney General Holder, who made the decision to move to drop the charges, said in a statement, “I have concluded that certain information should have been provided to the defense for use at trial.” He said it was “in the interests of justice” to dismiss the indictment and forgo a new trial.

Mr. Stevens’s lawyers, Brendan V. Sullivan, Jr. and Robert M. Cary, welcomed the decision in a statement and praised Mr. Holder as “a pillar of integrity in the legal community.” The statement called the case “a sad story and a warning to everyone” that “any citizen can be convicted if prosecutors are hell-bent on ignoring the Constitution.”

Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont who is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, praised Mr. Holder and said it “shows clearly that he is committed to the rule of law, regardless of politics.” A former prosecutor, Mr. Leahy was a frequent critic of the Justice Department during the Bush administration.

Senator Mark Begich, the Democrat who defeated Mr. Stevens in November, issued a statement calling the Justice Department’s decision “reasonable.”

“I always said I didn’t think Senator Stevens should serve time in jail, and hopefully this decision ensures that is the case,” said Mr. Begich, a former mayor of Anchorage. “It’s time for Senator Stevens, his family and Alaskans to move on and put this behind us.”

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, said the episode was a tragedy for Mr. Stevens personally and a great setback for Senate Republicans. “We lost the seat,” Mr. McConnell said. “If this had been discovered and this action had been taken six months ago, Ted Stevens would still be in the Senate.”

Mr. Stevens had risen to become one of the most powerful figures in Congress, helping to direct enormous sums of money to Alaska, whose history as a state virtually paralleled his career.

Mr. Holder, a former prosecutor and judge, noted that the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility was conducting a review of the prosecutors’ conduct in the case, but that no conclusion had yet been reached.

Even so, it appeared that some of the prosecutors who tried Mr. Stevens on ethics charges would now face ethics charges.

Mr. Stevens had faced an almost certain prison term on the conviction. But Judge Emmet Sullivan had delayed imposing a sentence because of several previous disclosures of prosecutorial misconduct that were the basis for motions by Mr. Stevens’s lawyers to throw out the conviction. The judge repeatedly scolded prosecutors during the trial over a series of incidents in which they concealed important information from defense lawyers that might have been used by the defense.

Judge Sullivan recently ordered that some of the government lawyers involved be held in contempt of court, including the two top officials of the Justice Department’s public integrity division, the section that prosecutes official corruption.

In the new filing on Wednesday, which was first reported by National Public Radio, the government said that it had recently discovered previously undisclosed notes made by prosecutors of an interview with Mr. Allen on April 15, 2008. In the interview, Mr. Allen was asked about a note he received from Senator Stevens on Oct. 6, 2002, discussing the situation of former Senator Robert G. Torricelli, a New Jersey Democrat who abruptly quit his 2002 re-election race amid accusations of ethical misconduct, including allegations that he failed to disclose gifts.

The Justice Department said the notes from the interview showed that Mr. Allen made different statements about that exchange than he had during his testimony at the trial. Mr. Stevens’s lawyers should have had those notes to help them cross-examine Mr. Allen, the department said on Wednesday.

The motion said that in addition to asking that the indictment be voided, the government had determined, based on the totality of the circumstances, that it would not seek a new trial of Mr. Stevens. The comment about the totality of the circumstances appeared to be a reference to issues like Mr. Stevens’s advanced age and the fact that he was defeated in his bid for an eighth term only days after the conviction which Justice Department officials now suggest was tainted.

Judge Sullivan displayed his annoyance with the prosecutors’ conduct almost four weeks before Mr. Stevens was convicted. On Oct. 2, the judge almost declared a mistrial after discovering that prosecutors had not told the defense team about an F.B.I. interview with the prosecution’s chief witness.

“How does the court have confidence that the public integrity section has public integrity?” Judge Sullivan asked that day.

The chief prosecutor, Brenda Morris, apologized for her team’s mistakes. But she also called the errors careless, not purposeful.

Then in February, an F.B.I. agent who had worked on the investigation disputed that characterization of events, accusing prosecutors and a fellow agent of willfully concealing evidence from Mr. Stevens’s lawyers.

The agent, Chad Joy, wrote in the complaint that he had “witnessed or learned of serious violations of policy, rules, and procedures as well as possible criminal violations.”

Days later, Judge Sullivan held Ms. Morris and two other members of the prosecuting team — William Welch, Patty Stemler and Kevin Driscoll — in contempt after the Justice Department failed to produce documents the judge had requested to assess Mr. Joy’s complaint. Mr. Driscoll who had just joined the case was later dropped from the contempt citation. Mr. Welch is the chief of the public integrity section and Ms. Morris is his deputy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/us/politics/02stevens.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=us

Story is well written and is running in NYT
Pretty embarrasing.
 
It is a credit to Attorney General Holder not to be vindictive hear. The case got hopelessly botched before it hit Holder's desk, so sometimes it is just best to walk away. Even here in conservative Collin County, Texas, prosecutors have been known to back down from cases with merit when they have botched it somewhere along the way.
 
Yeah thats.... pretty awful. And these prosecutors work(ed) for the Public Integrity Section of the DOJ... lol
 
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