Mueller finds more witches

[Zkribbler]

Although President Trump insists Mueller's investigation is a witch hunt, it keeps turning up witches.

Former campaign chief Manafort has just been convicted of 8 of 18 counts.

Former attorney Cohen has entered a plea deal, pleading guilty to 8 counts dealing with fraud and campaign finance violations.

I'm sure Trump will be quick to point out that none of these count involves Russia.

Cohen is cooperating with Mueller. With a mistrial declared on Manafort's remaining 10 charges, allowing them to be retried, he will be under even more pressure to flip on Trump.

 

[Broken_Erika]

I wonder what trump will say at his rally?
"This has gone from witch hunt to a coup attempt!"

 

[Timsup2nothin]

"I will hire all the best witches."

Donald Trump

 

[Arwon]

How long til Trump goes to the S L A M M E R

 

[Dachs]

Cohen is cooperating with Mueller. With a mistrial declared on Manafort's remaining 10 charges, allowing them to be retried, he will be under even more pressure to flip on Trump.

Cohen isn't actually cooperating with the investigation and is unlikely to be called as a witness. However, as part of his plea, he provided sworn information that states that he committed multiple crimes at Trump's behest.

Think of it this way: if Cohen is pleading guilty to violating campaign finance laws on Trump's orders, there is zero reason not to convict Trump of violating those same exact laws.

The only thing standing between Trump and jail right now is the Republican Senate.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Cohen isn't actually cooperating with the investigation and is unlikely to be called as a witness. However, as part of his plea, he provided sworn information that states that he committed multiple crimes at Trump's behest.

Think of it this way: if Cohen is pleading guilty to violating campaign finance laws on Trump's orders, there is zero reason not to convict Trump of violating those same exact laws.

The only thing standing between Trump and jail right now is the Republican Senate.

Cohen doesn't have a cooperation agreement, but that isn't the same as "not cooperating." The Southern District of NY has nothing for Cohen to cooperate about, so there was no reason for them to include a cooperation agreement. The prosecution had such an overwhelming case that Cohen plead out, and in the course of pleading out he accused the president of the United States of being a co-conspirator in committing two felonies, under oath.

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This appears to be a drop dead lock of a case. While Rudy G is babbling about "campaign finance violations is normally just a fine," that is true when Jim Bob Bonehead doesn't keep good track and <ooops> donates a couple hundred bucks more than the limit, which is $10,000. It isn't true when a candidate and his lawyer conspire to make undisclosed donations to the tune of a quarter million dollars, exceeding the limit twenty-five times over, with intent. If it weren't for the policy of not indicting the president were not followed Trump would have been in court today as a co-defendant.

So here's the interesting question:

Impeachment or not, Trump will not be the president forever. The evidence in the case appears to be a mountain of documentation that isn't going to disappear. The statute of limitations on campaign finance violations is five years. It is a possibility that the department of justice could meet Trump with an indictment on 1/21/21.

 

[Dachs]

Cohen doesn't have a cooperation agreement, but that isn't the same as "not cooperating." The Southern District of NY has nothing for Cohen to cooperate about, so there was no reason for them to include a cooperation agreement. The prosecution had such an overwhelming case that Cohen plead out, and in the course of pleading out he accused the president of the United States of being a co-conspirator in committing two felonies, under oath.

Yep. Completely agreed.

 

[Gori the Grey]

The statute of limitations on campaign finance violations is five years.

That's just dumb! You have to make it 8+.

It is a possibility that the department of justice could meet Trump with an indictment on 1/21/21.

The form I hope Mueller's report takes is a list of charges against the president. I hope he states right at the outset that he means to observe the Justice Department regulations that a sitting president can't be criminally charged. So just "charges," not criminal charges; now it's in Congress' court to determine whether those are grounds to impeach and remove. But then I hope there's a massive appendix that contains every shred of evidence he's gathered for every crime Trump has committed, so that every jurisdiction that could try Trump and his associates for any crime has all the material they need to do so.

I hope he'll get voted out of office in the 2020 election, and, as you say, charged with a multitude of crimes on 1/21/21--he and his whole family and all his associates.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's just dumb! You have to make it 8+.



The form I hope Mueller's report takes is a list of charges against the president. I hope he states right at the outset that he means to observe the Justice Department regulations that a sitting president can't be criminally charged. So just "charges," not criminal charges; now it's in Congress' court to determine whether those are grounds to impeach and remove. But then I hope there's a massive appendix that contains every shred of evidence he's gathered for every crime Trump has committed, so that every jurisdiction that could try Trump and his associates for any crime has all the material they need to do so.

I hope he'll get voted out of office in the 2020 election, and, as you say, charged with a multitude of crimes on 1/21/21--he and his whole family and all his associates.

Oh, his family and associates can be, and should be, charged right now. The more "yes, obviously this person is guilty as sin but if I say he's a good guy and pardon him no one will notice" escapades Trump commits the more egg is smeared on the collective GOP face. Like, good guy Manafort who defrauded the United States out of millions in taxes while Trump's base was footing the bill and then sold out to the Russians while crafting the GOP platform...pardoning him will look spectacular on the Republican resume.

 

[Zkribbler]

Cohen doesn't have a cooperation agreement, but that isn't the same as "not cooperating." The Southern District of NY has nothing for Cohen to cooperate about,

I messed up in my opening post. Cohen was not being targeted by Mueller but by the US attorney office in the Southern District of NY.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I messed up in my opening post. Cohen was not being targeted by Mueller but by the US attorney office in the Southern District of NY.

He was definitely found by Mueller though, so your post is accurate. I only commented that SDNY had nothing for him to cooperate on because SDNY currently, by DoJ policy, cannot charge Donald Trump.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Oh, his family and associates can be, and should be, charged right now. The more "yes, obviously this person is guilty as sin but if I say he's a good guy and pardon him no one will notice" escapades Trump commits the more egg is smeared on the collective GOP face. Like, good guy Manafort who defrauded the United States out of millions in taxes while Trump's base was footing the bill and then sold out to the Russians while crafting the GOP platform...pardoning him will look spectacular on the Republican resume.

Yeah, but I wan't some of the charges against family and associates to come only once he's out of the office and can't pardon.

 

[Dachs]

So, how's everyone enjoying Infrastructure Week so far?

 

[warpus]

I find this whole thread in bad taste. These guys are criminals. Actual witches are cool

 

[Azem.Ocram]

I hope The D(onald Tr)ump is impeached and subsequently tried (and convicted) of all the crimes he’s obviously guilty of. That will help mitigate the harm done to the USA and our image, especially if no similar presidency happens again in the near future. If The D’ump is reelected, the statute of limitations will expire, Republicans will all side with him, he’ll make out like a bandit, and the USA’s reputation will be permanantly tarnished (if WWIII or Civil War II do not occur).

 

[FriendlyFire]

*COHEN: VIOLATED CAMPAIGN LAW AT DIRECTION OF UNNAMED CANDIDATE
Hillary’s going down, guys!!

 

[Dachs]

So, about that whole "cooperation" thing: Lanny Davis, Cohen's attorney, was just on Rachel Maddow's show.

Mr. Cohen has knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest to the special counsel, and is more than happy to tell the special counsel all that he knows - not just about the obvious possibility of a conspiracy to collude and corrupt the American democracy [sic] system in the 2016 election, which the Trump Tower meeting was all about, but also knowledge of the computer crime of hacking and whether Mr. Trump knew about it ahead of time or even cheered it on.

I mean, take this for what it's worth. Davis is kind of a tool. And we already know about a lot of this.

But still...wow. That's, ah...a hell of a signal.

 

[Berzerker]

I'm sure Trump will be quick to point out that none of these count involves Russia.

Russia is the witch hunt

 

[JollyRoger]

Trump sure has bad luck with hiring coffee boys.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Russia is the witch hunt

Uranium One ! /s