Muting the Trumpets

[Lexicus]

Yeah, to be clear I'm not talking about lynchings but about capital punishment. To paraphrase some dude from the Trump Positivity Thread, if Trump ends up a free man after all this then the grand experiment of the United States has failed.

 

[Synobun]

They have to catch you. And having worked in restaurant for a while when younger, the health inspector never find out.

Why not advocate for back alley muggings? The police have to catch you. Your method of resistance seems purely self-serving with absolutely no impact on the platform which matters. People with abhorrent views should face resistance publicly, not unknowingly eat spit-on food.

 

[rah]

Could you get any more dramatic? Comparing mugging a person to a little spit in their food. Jeeze.

The sky is falling.
You guys are starting to sound like the Republicans when Obama was president. You are becoming what you hate.
It sounded stupid then and isn't sounding much better now.

 

[Commodore]

We have literal traitors in our government.

Still hung up on that nothingburger that is Mueller's investigation?

I know I'm crazy for still believing in stupid little ideas like "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty" but until someone currently serving in Trump's administration is convicted of anything, your labeling them "literal traitors" is both factually incorrect and outrageous hyperbole.

I don't know how much more things can escalate from the right before executions are both warranted and appropriate.

Stop being a drama queen. We are a long way from getting to that point. The US is still rated as one of the least corrupt nations on the planet (18th least corrupt on the planet to be exact). When we start hitting Zimbabwe levels of corruption, then your bloodlust for your political opponents MIGHT be justified.

You guys are starting to sound like the Republicans when Obama was president. You are becoming what you hate.
It sounded stupid then and isn't sounding much better now.

Exactly. And the lack of self-awareness from them on this matter is absolutely mind-boggling. The whole "Russian collusion" thing is approaching "birther" levels of conspiracy theorist hysteria.

 

[metalhead]

I know I'm crazy for still believing in stupid little ideas like "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty" but until someone currently serving in Trump's administration is convicted of anything, your labeling them "literal traitors" is both factually incorrect and outrageous hyperbole.

Trump's deputy campaign manager has pled guilty to "Conspiracy Against the United States."

Why is it not good enough that former high-level campaign and administration officials have pled guilty to crimes against America? "Until anyone currently serving is convicted" is just setting a meaningless arbitrary time period, seemingly for the sole purpose of allowing you to continue to deny that they've done anything wrong.

The whole "Russian collusion" thing is approaching "birther" levels of conspiracy theorist hysteria.

Don Jr. already admitted to meeting with agents of the Russian government for the purpose of obtaining damaging information on his dad's political opponent. He even tweeted out the evidence. He also lied about 8 different times, first about whether the meeting ever happened, and then about what the purpose of it was.

So, I mean, collusion is already known to have at least been attempted. And that's just what's in the public record. Continue to deny it if you like, but it's all there.

 

[Synobun]

Could you get any more dramatic? Comparing mugging a person to a little spit in their food. Jeeze.

The sky is falling.
You guys are starting to sound like the Republicans when Obama was president. You are becoming what you hate.
It sounded stupid then and isn't sounding much better now.

Nah dude, you didn't get my drift. You said that instead of refusing service, you should spit in their food. I said that this would get you shut down by a health inspector. You said "they have to catch you", thereby advocating this method because it's hidden and no one will know you did it unless you get caught doing it.

The jump to mugging is intentional; the theory remains the same. It is hidden, and you only get outed if you get caught. Beyond that, it is about as useful as spitting in the person's food. Nothing is gained except self-serving satisfaction. You don't address the core of the problem, which is that person's public views and their public authority regarding those views. Refusing service tells them that their views are unwelcome (and civilized society should, ideally, agree on that point). Spitting in their food tells them... nothing. You spit in their food. Great. You'll smile while you watch them and then they'll take a private car back to the cameras where they'll peddle their abhorrent views some more completely unopposed without consequence.

 

[Lexicus]

You are becoming what you hate.

You can tell me that when I've locked up Trump's grandchildren in a cage made of chain-link fence.

 

[rah]

Exactly. And the lack of self-awareness from them on this matter is absolutely mind-boggling. The whole "Russian collusion" thing is approaching "birther" levels of conspiracy theorist hysteria.

Except we have proof of one and none on the other. But yeah, besides that, they're entirely the same thing.

 

[Lexicus]

I don't even care about the Russian collusion thing. My concern is that people who violate human rights should pay for it.

 

[rah]

Nah dude, you didn't get my drift. You said that instead of refusing service, you should spit in their food. I said that this would get you shut down by a health inspector. You said "they have to catch you", thereby advocating this method because it's hidden and no one will know you did it unless you get caught doing it.

The jump to mugging is intentional; the theory remains the same. It is hidden, and you only get outed if you get caught. Beyond that, it is about as useful as spitting in the person's food. Nothing is gained except self-serving satisfaction. You don't address the core of the problem, which is that person's public views and their public authority regarding those views. Refusing service tells them that their views are unwelcome (and civilized society should, ideally, agree on that point). Spitting in their food tells them... nothing. You spit in their food. Great. You'll smile while you watch them and then they'll take a private car back to the cameras where they'll peddle their abhorrent views some more completely unopposed without consequence.

Ok Ok, my spitting in their food was excessive and detracts from my original point. And I only used it because it's a more of an often claimed insult from the lower class to those that were treating them that way. My original intent was to just show common courtesy and I tried to get funny with the typical results.

 

[Berzerker]

My thinking is that the left has tried to play things fair and by the book

I dont think either side tries to be fair [/generalization]

I don't even care about the Russian collusion thing. My concern is that people who violate human rights should pay for it.

We've been detaining children for years

 

[Commodore]

Except we have proof of one and none on the other. But yeah, besides that, they're entirely the same thing.

And where is this supposed proof of collusion? Russia buying some political ads on Facebook that talked up Trump doesn't equal collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign.

So, I mean, collusion is already known to have at least been attempted. And that's just what's in the public record. Continue to deny it if you like, but it's all there.

So why haven't any arrests been made? What's Mueller waiting for? You all keep saying there's all this evidence of collusion, yet the people actually in charge of this investigation sure aren't acting like they have any evidence.

My concern is that people who violate human rights should pay for it.

Then file a petition with the ICC. Let them determine if there are any actual human rights abuses occurring. I'll even provide a link that provides information on how to file a complaint with the ICC:

https://justicehub.org/article/how-can-people-report-crimes-icc

 

[rah]

And where is this supposed proof of collusion? Russia buying some political ads on Facebook that talked up Trump doesn't equal collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign.

There may not be any proof of Trump's knowledge of it, how many of his campaign staff have been indicted? How many are making deals. That the Russians were having conversations with many on his campaign staff is not in any doubt. And it's just a matter of time before we have proof of Trump's knowledge of it.

 

[metalhead]

So why haven't any arrests been made? What's Mueller waiting for? You all keep saying there's all this evidence of collusion, yet the people actually in charge of this investigation sure aren't acting like they have any evidence.

Yes they are. They are investigating. Investigating is what law enforcement does when they have evidence of crimes.

If there wasn't an investigation, then the reasonable conclusion would be that there is no evidence of a crime. The fact of the investigation leads to the unavoidable conclusion that there is evidence of crimes.

 

[Commodore]

And it's just a matter of time before we have proof of Trump's knowledge of it.

Just like it was a matter of time before the Republicans would have proof of Hillary's alleged wrongdoings?

And I ask that question to highlight just how much the anti-Trump hysteria is starting to mirror the anti-Obama and anti-Hillary hysteria.

Investigating is what law enforcement does when they have evidence of crimes.

No, investigations are initiated when there is suspicion of a crime. Investigations are what produce the evidence that leads to charges being filed.

There may not be any proof of Trump's knowledge of it,

And all I'm saying is you can't call him a traitor until that proof surfaces. Innocent until proven guilty, man. But you all already have him convicted, just like the conspiracy nuts on the right already had Hillary and Obama convicted of the crimes they were being accused of committing before any proof surfaced.

 

[rah]

I didn't say he was, yet. I just stated that they have considerable evidence that the trump campaign was colluding with russians.

And i was making a similar claim about the hysteria reaching the same levels.

 

[Berzerker]

These people Mueller is nailing are up on other charges, not collusion. Well, collusion aint even a charge, its just a description of what is suspected - the Russians and Trump conspiring on something that is illegal. Receiving stolen emails might be a problem, but it seems wikileaks was the Russian outlet for that notwithstanding Don Jr.

No, Trump's crimes will be found - if they exist - in his financial dealings. Laundering money, graft, etc...

 

[Farm Boy]

Ok Ok, my spitting in their food was excessive and detracts from my original point.

As an aside, the phenomenon of people spitting in other's food does provide some valuable insights if you care to glean them. When you are out and about at restaurants, make a mental note of where you see uniformed police officers order their food. It's a pretty reliable way of determining which establishments run clean kitchens, which is then a somewhat reliable way of ascertaining who treats their cook staff well enough to not hate their jobs. The other alternative is that it's like a Subway or something, and the food is literally touched under the customer's eyes.

 

[rah]

Spitting in food was actually very very rare and reserved for customers that were deemed giant asses. Cops could qualify so....
The main two reasons you'd see cops in a restaurant is because the food is good or they're not required to pay and you never knew which reason it was.

 

[Farm Boy]

Ok, fine. That sounds Chicago-y enough I can't even begin to contemplate disagreeing. Doesn't seem to be the dance out here, they eat at places they trust the food is clean, and cyclical kitchen staff doesn't make the cut.