Elta
我不会把这种
I agree let us burn the the freaks, wait for me I'll get my pitchfork and torch.
Nationalized Healthcare? Not In My Back Yard!
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I agree let us burn the the freaks, wait for me I'll get my pitchfork and torch.
Perfection
The Great Head.
John, how do you propose we handle emergency room visits?
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
yet it's in line with all the other sources on the internet.
For spending:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=372221
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/23/3/10
For life expectancy:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_lif_exp_hea_yea-health-life-expectancy-healthy-years
and for the "quality" of the health care:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=283969
Those differences are very minor. That is like saying that the average distance from a residency to the hospital in the US is 10 miles and Europe is better cause the average distance from a residency is 9.8 miles. Big deal.
JohnRM
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What do you mean? Are we not handling them now?
Masquerouge
Deity
Yet I have still to see you come up with sources!
Elta
我不会把这种
Let them die in the street lest they hurt our pocket book - of course I don't speak for john.
JohnRM
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Why would I need sources for YOUR claims?
Gilder
Deity
I believe he's talking about your claims.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Well, right now we force the hospital to pay uninsured people's emergency room visits which makes it in effect a really crappy free healthcare system that jacks up consumer prices.
JohnRM
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What claims?
Elta
我不会把这种
and sometimes the state pays for it, they do in Nevada anyway.
I honestly lean towards John's view that I see the problem with drains on the system being far greater of a problem than the benefits of the nationalized system. However, I'm going to refrain right now from actually picking a side (indecisive? maybe. oh well).
What would be the place of insurance companies in a nationalized health care America?
Fugitive Sisyphus
Escape Artist
I can't believe anyone is seriously considering nationalized healthcare in the United States. First of all, the United States can't even handle the present entitlement systems. The government severely mismanages money and is 9 trillion dollars in debt and is running a ~0.4 trillion dollar deficit. And people want the government to handle even MORE of our money and an amount that would dwarf present entitlement spending? 
Of course if you are against nationalized healthcare it means that you want to throw starving paraplegic single mothers of five onto the street. If you are concerned with the unfortunate, there are much better ways to help than with nationalized healthcare.
Of course if you are against nationalized healthcare it means that you want to throw starving paraplegic single mothers of five onto the street. If you are concerned with the unfortunate, there are much better ways to help than with nationalized healthcare.
Elta
我不会把这种
I dunno which is why I think the voucher system would be good
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2005/12/how_about_healt.html
Integral
Can't you hear it?
I've already made my views on this clear. I'll just reiterate that IMO, the US government couldn't handle the responsibility of providing universal health care. Cost is also an issue.
Integral
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Taxes in France are extremely high to pay for their health care. Private health care is much better than universal, you get treated sooner, because those self-destructive people who cant afford it, dont get treated, and they dont deserve getting treated.
Masquerouge
Deity
that:
a. nationalized healthcare costs more (when all the data available points that the current privatized health care in the US is the most expensive in the world)
b. the American health care is the best in the world (when all available data shows that it's not)
How can you guys say cost will be an issue with nationalized health care when you already have the most expensive health care in the world?
Masquerouge
Deity
That is simply not true. I'm paying as much in the US for my private health care as I paid in taxes in France for my public health care.
That is not true. Read Skad's article about the French health care.
skadistic
Caomhanach
Thats not what I said now is it? I asked you a question. So? Why are ******** people my responsibility and not that of the ******** persons family. Why should I pay for some one who will never put in a fraction of what they take out? Why should I carry that burden?
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
Oh, I see. In my opinion, there should be some kind of limited government fund to pay those expenses if the government is going to require these people to be treated.
Whatever happens, I do think that people should have the right to life-sustaining medical treatment and you certainly do not want the front line medical professionals asking people for money for proof of insurance at the scene. Our job is not to collect and you don't even want that to be on our minds.
So, whatever happens, people NEED to be taken care of in emergency situations, but the government needs to directly absorb those costs. However, I would seek reimbursement from those cared for, even if that means long-term payment plans. The government will pay, immediately, to the hospital and then the government, through district justices, can set up a payment plan with the person who received care.
So, if the victim receives care amounting to $1,000 and the government pays for that care immediately, due to lack of insurance, then the government will send the case to the district justice. The district justice will send a "fine" to the family who received care and, as with other actual fines, they have the option of paying in full or paying in installments over a time. So, if they can afford to pay $25 per month, then they would pay for forty months until the entire cost is paid.
Certain things would have to be done for people who have higher costs incurred, such as the cost for cancer treatment, or otherwise. Those who need care for reasons completely out of their control, such as being mugged or shot in a drive-by for which they are not the target, would be cared for without requirement of reimbursement to the government. I can't work this all out, now, but this is the kind of thing that I'm talking about.
