NES/IOT Merger Poll

[BSmith1068]

That's like saying I can't exclude someone from an important positions because I know they are incompetent. That's not going to help games maintain quality if we have to let people take things we know they can't handle long enough to prove they can't handle it. This isn't congress.

I think you need to read the rule again.

 

[gay_Aleks]

I never intended to, since this whole discussion is a group of seagulls squawking over a piece of fish that doesn't exist.


@Christos: Nice to see you know me, bro.

That is awfully kind of you. Would you be even nicer to keep off the conversation for the nonexistent fish, then?

 

[Luckymoose]

That is awfully kind of you. Would you be even nicer to keep off the conversation for the nonexistent fish, then?

Absolutely not. I'm in too deep. I can't allow the personal insults being thrown at me and my segment of the hobby by ignorant participants in this squawking go on without squawking myself.

"The one who does no squawk for nonexistent fish is the one who does not get real fish." ~ Dr. Steven Seagull

 

[BSmith1068]

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

Moderator Action: That said, it is time to cool down a bit. Less trolling/insulting of the "other" camp please. That goes for everybody.

 

[Thlayli]

I think I can safely say that having these other discussions inline with the merger discussion is a non-starter. PDMA has site-wide implications and is not a NES/IOT issue, and therefore can not be conjoined to this issue. It will have to stand on it's own argument's merits.

Adding another moderator at this time is also likely a non-starter. EQ is a NESer and I had a very strong IOT background (and some NES) before becoming a moderator. You already have moderators that are familiar with the cultures and way things work in IOT and NES. Adding a moderator also has site-wide implications. Long story short, I wouldn't hold out too much hope of additional change on this front in the short term.

This attitude is incredible. You really know how to set an olive branch on literal fire.

I showed you how to get this done, and you knee jerked so hard it practically split the table in half.

 

[BSmith1068]

I'm just trying to set realistic expectations.

 

[gay_Aleks]

This attitude is incredible. You really know how to set an olive branch on literal fire.

I showed you how to get this done, and you knee jerked so hard it practically split the table in half.

Now, we derail this thread on merger, to bring you a thread about PDMA...because why not?

 

[JohannaK]

This attitude is incredible. You really know how to set an olive branch on literal fire.

I showed you how to get this done, and you knee jerked so hard it practically split the table in half.

Now I don't think that a proposal that given staff policy is practically doomed since its inception can be called an olive branch. Or that the perfectly logical and expected answer is setting it on fire. Unless you just want an excuse to use that 'literal' metaphor.

 

[Thlayli]

I'm just trying to set realistic expectations.

I legitimately don't understand. Why is something a non-starter? You and EQ are the mods managing this transition. If you brought this to the admins as the community consensus for how a merge could work, they would listen.

I just can't tell if you actively want to antagonize us or you are just incredibly unfamiliar with how political compromise as a concept works.

 

[Luckymoose]

It sure is nice to be called a troll for noting differences in communities that could cause issues in a merger. I don't know what I expected.

 

[JohannaK]

I just can't tell if you actively want to antagonize us or you are just incredibly unfamiliar with how political compromise as a concept works.

Now, I don't want to antagonize anyone and have mostly stayed away, but I must point out that your proposal seems to come from someone deeply
unfamiliar with how CFC staff policy works.

I do like your proposal, but I don't think anyone would really expect it to have a chance.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Lucky is willing to help, and very often he does. He's welcoming to new players who put in a good faith effort. He's just often extremely frustrated with people who don't listen to what he has to say, or respond to it. And when he voices that frustration he makes people angry at him. So it's a difficult situation.

This is 100% true. Lucky is one of the most willing to help... but he gets annoyed when people don't seem like they want to improve or change.

 

[Thlayli]

Yes, God forbid we actually enact sensible policy changes in tandem that would make almost everyone happy.

Excuse me for having a brief, TINY glimmer of hope that the staff would be open to some sort of rational compromise on these issues.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Well, why do you suggest that in the NES/IOT merger thread, and not in it's separate thread?

 

[Thlayli]

We're talking about ways to accomplish a merge, and I'm explaining that if the CFC staff made concessions to show that the critiques made by the Frontier NESers that drove them from CFC in the first place were legitimate, then the merge would work.

It's impossible to talk about a merge without a discussion of the political circumstances surrounding it. And if this is simply rammed through in the typical totalitarian fashion without concessions, well, we have the Frontier. I don't want to feel forced to run my games there instead of on CFC, as I love CFC, but I see this site becoming a place of vested interests uninterested in compromise.

I hope the other mods can prove me wrong on this.

 

[JohannaK]

Yes, God forbid we actually enact sensible policy changes in tandem that would make almost everyone happy.

Excuse me for having a brief, TINY glimmer of hope that the staff would be open to some sort of rational compromise on these issues.

Well, I guess I'm a pessimistic guy.

But seeing how much insistence was necessary to get both IOT and NES-dedicated mods from the community (even if the community's suggestions were ignored), there's reason to suppose the staff wouldn't just take another two mods at the first suggestion.

I apologise if I have offended you, since you seem so heated up.

 

[North King]

I have to say, I didn't really care, but a discussion involving various people from both sides -- IOT and NES -- has convinced me that it's a really bad idea.

 

[Luckymoose]

This is 100% true. Lucky is one of the most willing to help... but he gets annoyed when people don't seem like they want to improve or change.

Nah, man, let them hold their propaganda to fight the thing I love and work hard on. Alienating me does nothing but remove a positive creative force in their new community. Serves 'em right.

 

[W|M]

Adding another moderator at this time is also likely a non-starter. EQ is a NESer and I had a very strong IOT background (and some NES) before becoming a moderator.

You don't play any IOTs any more, and they've changed a lot since you became a mod. I don't remember seeing an active mod in any IOT, at least after 2010 or so.

 

[Thlayli]

Well, I guess I'm a pessimistic guy.

But seeing how much insistence was necessary to get both IOT and NES-dedicated mods from the community (even if the community's suggestions were ignored), there's reason to suppose the staff wouldn't just take another two mods at the first suggestion.

I apologise if I have offended you, since you seem so heated up.

No, it's totally okay Johanna. I just get passionate about this community is all. I'm not angry with you at any rate, just with BSmith's quick dismissal of my compromise idea without consulting any other mods first, which I was deeply disappointed with.