NESing Guide

[das]

That takes too much time, not a luxury anyone could afford in the modern world; fortunately, the modern world has (probably to compensate the difficulty of assimilation) perfected the noble art of genocide and the relevant tools as well.

 

[Symphony D.]

Considering the entire human race (all 6.5 billion or so) could fit on the island of Zanzibar if standing up, and thus could, if so arranged, be conceivably completely exterminated by a single nuclear weapon (in the 10 - 25MT range), to my mind, the simplest way of committing genocide and covering it up would be to simply haul all the people you want to get rid of out to the middle of nowhere, and happen to test a device at the same location.

Nuclear tests are inherently secret and two great tastes surely taste great together. Quick, cheap (assuming you have the bombs) and no evidence left over except the paper trail, which is easy to get rid of. Anything less is really just inefficient, honestly. Failing this, really large amounts of conventional explosives work well too. Particularly if arranged to produce, say, a giant sinkhole underneath the target. Setting up camps and what not is barbaric and crude - if you're going to do that you may as well use them as forced labor.

Actual genuine conquest of disagreeable territories can be a wholly seperate matter altogether (such as, say, taking all the intellectuals and shipping them off somewhere like, oh, the Taklamakan) depending on how one wants to go about it. But generally, when committing genocide, it's best to have a way to do it quickly and instantly, I think. Otherwise it just breeds resentment and gives your enemy a reason to resist you further. I've historically never bothered with it at all, as a result, personally.

 

[das]

Quite agree. The main problem of silver's approach is that it tends to slaughter the potential allies/collaborators as well; it is best to simply use a carrot-and-stick methodic (or a reign of terror if it is backed up with proper force), with actual genocide as the very last resort.

 

[Insane_Panda]

Being evil was fun in IT II.

 

[Swissempire]

One needs to be quite creative to have a good genocide. As Iggy can attest when he returns, I have made many interesting and successful ideas for solving the Oneist Issue, and the plans for the Emorians were foiled because silly Terris left my country

 

[Birdjaguar]

Considering the entire human race (all 6.5 billion or so) could fit on the island of Zanzibar if standing up, and thus could, if so arranged, be conceivably completely exterminated by a single nuclear weapon (in the 10 - 25MT range), to my mind, the simplest way of committing genocide and covering it up would be to simply haul all the people you want to get rid of out to the middle of nowhere, and happen to test a device at the same location.

6.5 billion people standing shoulder to shoulder will cover about 233 square miles or about 2/3 of the island of Zanzibar. Or about 15% of the state of Rhode Island.

Looking at it another way, 6.5 billion people will fit into a strip of land 10 miles wide and 23 miles long.

 

[Kal'thzar]

nuts, the Isle of mans only 221 square miles....mhmmm how accurates your approximation Bj?

 

[Symphony D.]

You are forgetting the vast number of fat people in the world. Zanzibar would be required for 7 billion; we are at 6.5 billion. Not being intimately familiar with the hundreds of thousands of islands on Earth, it's close enough.

 

[Birdjaguar]

nuts, the Isle of mans only 221 square miles....mhmmm how accurates your approximation Bj?

If the average is one person per square foot, then the number is pretty accurrate for 6.5 billion people. I figure that with babies, children, teens, fat and skinny people, if they all stand shoulder to shoulder, the average would be about 1 sf each.

43,560 sf per acre
640 acres per square mile

SymD, you are forgetting the vast number of babies and children in the world.

 

[Symphony D.]

A human occupies roughly the same amount of space regardless of age. A baby or small child would still require roughly 1 square foot, particularly if in calculations they are allocated such anyway. The key factor is size. A single moderately obese person can easily consume 2x2, 3x3, or even 4x4 feet, taking up the space of 4, 9, or 16 other individuals. As such, even a moderately fat population such as, say, the number of obese people in the United States, can easily have a disproportion area for its number. The number of children therefore has little overall impact while that of the fat is necessarily huge.

That is all absolutely and totally irrelevent to my point that the human race could be eliminated with a single nuclear weapon, however, and vastly off topic.

 

[carmen510]

I believe, we should stop being off topic.

 

[Turner]

Moderator Action: Indeed .
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Gelion]

Okay, I've now got more time to produce a revised version of the Guide. I take all suggestions

 

[Symphony D.]

Quick thoughts:

• Organization - A table of contents would probably be good., as would using Roman numerals for sections and alphanumeric characters for subsections. It would be perhaps vaguely better looking and easier to scan with CTRL+F.
• Content - I personally think the "Standard NES" section should be removed, and instead several examples included. An orders section referencing the "Show Me Your Orders" thread could also be useful.
• Style - For a guide, it's kind of plain-spoken. I don't mean to say it should be exceedingly technical, but as a sort of statement of the collective wisdom of the NESing community it should be a bit more business-like and direct, I think.

I also think it would be a good idea to basically transfer the rewritten product to the Wiki (whichever one gets settled on), so that it would be easier to edit by whomever might happen to have insight. To that end, I'd be willing to go over and edit it myself and format it for the Wiki, if you want.

 

[Abaddon]

Can someone explain leveeing please?

 

[Oruc]

Its conscription bascially

 

[Abaddon]

But what controls the numbers? what does it cost?

 

[jalapeno_dude]

But what controls the numbers? what does it cost?

It's free, but dependent on your population, and it may lower confidence.

Generally, it's only done when you need to defend against an invasion.

 

[erez87]

It usually depends on the NES actually.

In das NESes you could conscript/levee (depends on the age) up to 30 divisions. Or so it was as far as I recall.
In HarlNES you can pay for double the troops the same amount on points but they will come with less training.

It all depends on the NES rules.


I personally do not use levees ever unless they are the troops that truly are going to make a change.

 

[Oruc]

In Kal's nes they are supposed to play a more vital role