Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Thread

[SagarRathore]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 8
Hebrews - 19+1=20 they had made great impact on world and continue to do so.May be only power to counter Arab power in middle east.
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 21
Olmecs - 5-3=2 Aztecs are already there
Pueblo - 14
Romania - 3
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Argentina - 7+1=8 I'd like a Spanish speaking country other than Spain to be in the game and since this is lower I'm going to try to keep this one alive since it's lower than Colombia.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 8
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 21
Olmecs - 2-3=Eliminated Someone had to go first and the Olmecs are hard to do.
Pueblo - 14
Romania - 3
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[AmazonQueen]

Argentina - 8-3=5. Another suitcase in another hall.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 8
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 21+1=22. The native North American civ I'd most like to see added.
Pueblo - 14
Romania - 3
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Argentina - 5
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 8
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 21 - 3 = 18 They're definitely cool but I don't think I'd put them above some of the other European options here let alone the African or native New World ones that are still few in number in the game.
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 14 + 1 = 15 Lets keep in mind that it was the Tewa Puebloans that refused to be in the game, there's some hope that another Puebloan group like the Hopi or Acoma would be more open to it and they'd certainly be worthy additions if they did. While I understand that they can refuse or that Firaxis may not want to take the risk, I don't know if I'd judge it based on if they could actually appear in the game or not (especially when considering who's currently leading this game, I'd just prefer some consistency).
Romania - 3
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[Pokarnor]

Argentina - 5
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 16 (15+1) Giving them a bump since they took a few hits. People have mentioned true start location as an issue but I don't agree it should be a prohibitive factor. Earth maps, as much as I like them, are not the primary way to play Civ, and shouldn't (IMO) be cause to exclude a civ. Gaul is chronologically, culturally, and just generally very distinct from France. I don't think it should be penalized for existing in the same general region as France, and I rarely see people suggest such a thing in the case of say, Byzantium and the Ottomans.
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 8
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 18
Madagascar - 23
Muisca - 9 (12-3) as stated before I have little interest in them.
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 15
Romania - 3
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[Xandinho]

Argentina - 6 (5+1) It's about to fall, but I think Argentina has its credentials to be in the game.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 16
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 5 (8-3) Maori has just been added, I can wait a little longer to have another nation of the Pacific.
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 18
Madagascar - 23
Muisca - 9
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 15
Romania - 3
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[679x]

Argentina - 6
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 16
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 5
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 18+1 = 19 - This is an interesting one. Normally, I'd expect Italy to be represented by a wealth of different city-states. As it stands, we only have ONE: Bologna. (You could even theorize that they planned - or still do plan - on making Italy a civ by the lack of Italian city-states, as well as that whole thing about Genoa being listed as a civ in the code around release). But, I'd support it becoming a full civ, even though it'd be another European civ and takes up the same space as Rome. Italy is well-known for its culture and is another one on this list with a rich history. Plenty of scientific achievements in its history, influential, prospering arts for centuries, etc. I think it has a case.
Madagascar - 23
Muisca - 9
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 15
Romania - 3-3 = 0 - Eliminated. There are just so many European civs. If we want more, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, we'll need to find something that lends itself to a unique design in terms of gameplay and 'feel', and was also exceedingly influential in its time and possibly even after. I don't think Romania stands out so much that I would pick it over anything else here. Hungary kind of bumps this one out of a spot, IMO. Maybe we'll see you in Civ 7, Romania.
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Argentina - 6
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 19 (18 + 1) - Just bringing these guys back up to parity. I really want a modern era take on Bulgarian women's choral music.
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 16
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 5
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 19
Madagascar - 20 (23 - 3) - Seems just a tad overblown to me. It's about as regionally/globally influential as Hawaii, i.e. mostly kept to itself unless traded with. Which to me says city-state. Whereas if any culture had a strong influence on east Africa, it would either be the Swahili or Omani.
Muisca - 9
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 15
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[Edmund Ironside]

Argentina - 7 (6+1) They would work as the main regional rivals for Brazil
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 19
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 16
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 5
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 19
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6 (9-3) Just too minor to be worth including in my opinion
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 15
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[The Kingmaker]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20-3=17 As interesting as the Amazigh people are, I can’t help but wonder if they aren’t at least partially already represented by Morocco.
Bulgaria - 19
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 16+1=17 A nice early-era adversary for Rome, Greece and Carthage (Phoenicia...). Plus we need some Celts.
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 5
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 19
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 15
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19

 

[SagarRathore]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 19
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 17
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 5
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 19
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Peublo - 15-3=12 not much attached to them
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24+1=25 fan of Dalai lama,want a civilization based on mountain(Highest Plateau in the World)
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam -

 

[Morningcalm]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 19
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12 + 1 = 13 (A push for a worthy civ so central to South American history and a tribute to the courage of South Americans who threw off the Spanish colonial yoke. Also, leader could be Simon Bolivar, unique unit the Llanero.)
Gaul - 17
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 5
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 19
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 20 - 3 = 17 (Simply not enough info on a significant leader for this group. In fact one of the main leader suggestions is just a title. Almost as problematic a leader issue as with the Olmecs. Heck, at least legendary figures like Kupe had more info in their stories than the Tlingit chiefs! Kind of a shame really, as the civ itself is interesting.)
Vietnam - 19

 

[TeddyMain]

Argentina - 7-3 = 4 In my opinion they should be eliminated for 2 reasons: 1. If we want another post colonial civilization to represent South America I believe Colombia would be a better choice, considering the lasting impact they have had on the continent and its history, and 2. The Patagonia/South^2 America region is already represented by the Mapuche. They would be a neat addition, but I think they would have it best in another title.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 19
Burma - 21
Colombia - 13
Gaul - 17
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 5 + 1 = 6 I'm aware that we already have had the Maori just implemented as a Pacific representative but I cannot let Hawaii die this early. They are by far my most wanted realistic civ (other than pipe-dream Texas) and personally I thought they could have some bonuses with volcanic soil and/or tourism, with their UI being the Heiau and their UU being the Koa. Also, a Geoff Knorr take on Aloha Oe would be insane.
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 19
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 17
Vietnam - 19

Also first post, I've lingered way too long on this site without an account.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Argentina - 4+1=5 We got both the Cree and then Canada, so it's not unrealistic to say we might get the Mapuche and then Argentina to cover the southern part of South America and rival Brazil as well. I'm not going cry for Argentina just yet.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 19
Burma - 21
Colombia - 13
Gaul - 17
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 6-3=3 As I have stated before I would have been find with them if it wasn't for the inclusion of the Maori. Realistically I don't see them making a Hawaii without a wayfinding/mana ability which they already gave to the Maori.
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 19
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 17
Vietnam - 19

 

[Naktis]

Argentina - 5
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 19
Burma - 21
Colombia - 13
Gaul - 17
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 3-3 Eliminated. I don't really like to play Maori that much , and you want to add simillar civ.
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 20 (19+1) I really like to see whole Italy, not just city states like Civ5.
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 17
Vietnam - 19

 

[Xandinho]

Argentina - 6 (5+1) Just giving it some breaths.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 16 (19-3) As I said before, I'm not very interested in Bulgaria right now, I prefer Romania. Maybe I would include Bulgaria in a fifth expansion, if there were. If they did include Bulgaria in the third expansion, I would not complain, it's just personal opinion on not having this now.
Burma - 21
Colombia - 13
Gaul - 17
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 20
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 17
Vietnam - 19

 

[The Kingmaker]

Argentina - 6
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 16
Burma - 21
Colombia - 13
Gaul - 17+1=18 The best possible representation of the classical-era Celts. Plus, Druids would be really cool!
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 20
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 17-3=14 As unique as they are, there's an awful lot of Native Americans not yet represented, and these are a lot closer geographically to the Cree than say, the Navajo would be.
Vietnam - 19

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Argentina - 6
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 17 (16 + 1) - I know Simeon's aesthetic is competing with Theodora or Irene's but c'mon. He's a dude with a pearl headdress.
Burma - 21
Colombia - 13
Gaul - 15 (18 - 3) - I never liked the idea of the Celts in civ as a "that'll do" space filler that we no longer need. I certainly don't like the idea of the Gauls, given that they would be only one arbitrary option out of several samey barbarian blobs such as the Slavs, the Franks, the Norse. We have Russia and Olga seems possible. We have "Francia" under Eleanor. We have Norway. And we have Scotland, which is way, way better than the Gauls. I would rather have a proper civ like Ireland than backtrack to stale, thin ideas from earlier installments. Go play At the Gates if you want barbarian hordes, but the only example I can see making VI is the Goths given that they actually settled down into unified polities.
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 20
Italy - 20
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 14
Vietnam - 19

 

[SagarRathore]

Argentina - 6
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 17
Burma - 21
Colombia - 13
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hebrew - 20+1=21 interesting history and I admire them for their resistance till modern period
Italy - 20
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 12-3=9 not my first choice for native american
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 14
Vietnam - 19

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Argentina - 6
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 17
Bulgaria - 17
Burma - 21
Colombia - 13
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 21
Italy - 17 (20 - 3) I have nothing against them, I just think they are one of the weaker and less needed or unique options here.
Madagascar - 20
Muisca - 6
Navajo - 22
Pueblo - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 25
Tlingit - 15 (14 + 1) This one should definitely be in the top 3 if not #1 itself. So with that in mind, I'd like to address some of the critiques:
1. Relatively close distance to the Cree: I don't think I'd say that the Tlingit are as close to the Cree, or at least not as close as it may sound when one is from the Alaskan panhandle and the other is from central Canada. Battleford (about where the Cree capital is) is about 1,106 miles from Sitka and 1,149 miles from Klukwan (2 of the more promising Tlingit capitals). In comparison, Battleford is about 1,179 miles from Window Rock for the Navajo and about 1,170 miles from Old Oraibi and about 1,233 miles from Acoma Pueblo for the Puebloans. The Tlingit are a little bit closer, but not by as much as you'd think. Also, I don't know if we'd want to use capital distances as a possible negative here. We can, but then most of the possible civs in this list are in trouble like Italy, Gaul, Bulgaria, any European or Middle Eastern civ, etc.
2. Lack of notable leaders: Even though they don't have Wikipedia articles yet (I'm hoping to amend that soon), there are a couple of very notable leaders for this civ: Shotridge and Katlian. Shotridge (also known by the names Kohklux and Shaadaxicht) was a powerful chief of the Chilkats at Klukwan and was Louis Shotridge's grandfather. Katlian (Kʼalyaan) was the war chief of the Kiks.ádi of Sitka and the leader of the Tlingits during the Battle of Sitka. Katlian would undoubtedly look very unique and there are some great descriptions of Shotridge's character:
"...a man of commanding presence, nearly six feet high, broad chest...He carried a bullet-hole in his cheek. He was held to be the greatest warrior and diplomat of the entire tribes north and west of the Stak-heen [Stikine River]. In our future relations we found him truthful and absolutely honest."
"A second nickname, 'Hole-in-the-Cheek,' referred to a bullet hole in his cheek. Journalist Scidmore recounted a story saying that the wound 'was received at the hands of one of his own tribe during some internecine troubles. His assailant held a revolver close to Kloh-Kutz's [Shotridge's] head, and when the chief looked scornfully at it, the trigger was snapped. Weak powder prevented the ball from inflicting any more serious injuries than to enter his cheek and tear away a few teeth. Kloh-Kutz swallowed his teeth and handed the bullet back to his assailant with a fine gesture, saying : 'You cannot hurt me. See!' This rather embellished account is probably not too far from the truth. No stranger to discomfort, Kohklux apparently handled pain with dignity."
Sources: here, and here
Vietnam - 19