Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Thread

[Pokarnor]

Argentina - 14
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 15
Burma - 21
Gauls - 19 (18+1) A Celtic civilization would be really cool. Scotland is in but it doewn't really represent the era I'm thinking of, and Gauls are a better fit for that anyway.
Goths - 21
Gran Colombia - 11 (14-3) Unlike many of the others here I have absolutely no problems with colonial-origin civs in principle, however I do question whether some of them have really earned their place (e.g. Australia). Gran Colombia had a very short existence, and even combining it with modern Colombia I don't think it deserves to be added over most of these other civs.
Hawaiians - 11
Hebrews - 21
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 20
Romania - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22
Tlingit - 22
Vietnam - 20

 

[Naktis]

Argentina - 14
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 15
Burma - 21
Gauls - 16 (19-3) We have France and we have france alt leader, that region is packed already.
Goths - 21
Gran Colombia - 11
Hawaiians - 11
Hebrews - 21
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 20
Romania - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22
Tlingit - 22
Vietnam - 21 (20+1) Interesting Civ and would be nice new one to also has interesting leader Lady Triệu.

 

[Xandinho]

Some votes were skipped, just correcting:

Argentina - 11
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 15
Burma - 21
Gauls - 16
Goths - 21
Gran Colombia - 11
Hawaiians - 11
Hebrews - 21
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca - 12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 20
Romania - 12
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22
Tlingit - 22
Vietnam - 22

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Argentina - 11
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16 (15 + 1) - Probably the one European civ I think is really missing from our current patchwork, besides maybe Italy. Had two extremely influential empires, one which covered all the Balkans and made contributions to Slavic culture as a whole, and another which was the largest power in Eastern Europe for quite some time. It's just been too enduring and geographically massive and culturally prolific to sit well as a mere city state. The only thing I see potentially getting in the way of Bulgaria is Byzantium, and since the issue of Rome/Byzantium is still up in the air (and Russia/Kievan Rus'), I will continue campaigning for it.
Burma - 21
Gauls - 16
Goths - 21
Gran Colombia - 11
Hawaiians - 11
Hebrews - 21
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 20
Romania - 9 (12 - 3) - I won't say I feel good about going after Romania this early but I do still think that it faces a lot of competition for ideas and that it is the weakest Balkan option aside from maybe "Yugoslavia." And there aren't many civs on this list that I feel are as weak.
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22
Tlingit - 22
Vietnam - 22

Can we please rename Gran Colombia "Colombia"? I just don't see the devs naming any potential Colombian civ after a polity that survived a decade, when VI seems to want to go as broad as possible with each civ.

 

[Pokarnor]

Not sure if we're allowed to comment without voting but I second the above suggestion about Colombia.

 

[679x]

Can we please rename Gran Colombia "Colombia"? I just don't see the devs naming any potential Colombian civ after a polity that survived a decade, when VI seems to want to go as broad as possible with each civ.

I agree! It looks like Gran Colombia has been downvoted mostly on the idea that it existed for such a short time, but if the devs were to include any representation of it as a civ, it'd be in a form like 'Colombia'. For my vote here, I'm going to list it as "Colombia / Gran Colombia" so that we know what the original name in the thread was, and if the thread creator or others decide it should be kept the way it was, then it can be switched back next time someone votes.

Argentina - 11-3 = 8 - Don't get me wrong - I support having more post-colonial nations in the game. But, I'd prefer Colombia/Gran Colombia as the other South American post-colonial civ (I think even players who also support having post-colonial nations would still agree that we don't really need any more in South America after Brazil and possibly a second one) and as a post-Spanish colony if anyone really cares to argue former colonial ownership as a reason why certain civs should make it in. I don't think Argentina has too much going for it as a candidate to claim a spot on the limited list of civs.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16
Burma - 21
Gauls - 16
Goths - 21
Colombia / Gran Colombia - 11
Hawaiians - 11
Hebrews - 21
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 20
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22
Tlingit - 22+1 = 23 - Indeed, just a little bit behind Madagascar, the Pacific Northwest groups - whether Haida or Tlingit - are my second top choice for what I want to see in Civ6 eventually. Another unique, currently-unrepresented culture and history in a completely barren TSL Earth location (which I use as an argument partly because it balances out that in-game map type, but also mostly because the devs, and probably most players, would like to see representation from all corners of the globe). Also, the wooden armor and those masks... that'd be incredible as a unique unit.
Vietnam - 22

 

[The Kingmaker]

Argentina - 8
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16
Burma - 21
Gaul - 16+1=17 Don’t lose the chance for an awesome non-blob Celtic civ! Nothing like the French.
Goths - 21
Colombia / Gran Colombia - 11
Hawaiians - 11
Hebrews - 21
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 20-3=17 The Pueblo elders misunderstood Firaxis’ good intentions and flipped out about being represented in a historical-themed game. No reason to keep them around if they’re going to freak out like that.
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22
Tlingit - 23
Vietnam - 22

 

[Edmund Ironside]

Argentina - 8
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16
Burma - 21
Gaul - 17
Goths - 21
Colombia / Gran Colombia - 11
Hawaiians - 11
Hebrews - 21+1=22 They may not have been very important in ancient times, but their legacy is much greater than pretty much all their contemporaneous.
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22
Tlingit - 23-3=20 I feel like the Navajo or Pueblo are better choices if more Native Americans are added.
Vietnam - 22

 

[Morningcalm]

Argentina - 8
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16
Burma - 21
Gaul - 17
Goths - 21
Colombia / Gran Colombia - 11 + 1 = 12 (Not only worthy due to Simon Bolivar, who is a pan-South American hero, but because Colombia/Gran Colombia represent an interesting new civ in South America that is representative of an independence struggle fought in a much later era. Frankly, it's a travesty that Australia and Canada are in the game and Gran Colombia (i.e. parts of what is now present-day Colombia, Ecuador, Panama and Venezuela, Peru, Guyana and Brazil) is not. People are too focused on the duration of Gran Colombia as a whole, but consider that several Civ leaders were also short-lived, including Lautaro, and no one has argued that he should not be in. We need to look to significance and accomplishments. Bolivar liberated what are now modern South American nations from the Spanish despite bad odds, and let live the dreams of millions.)
Hawaiians - 11 - 3 = 8 (We had them in Civ V via Kamehameha, the "Polynesian" civ music and color scheme, and I think the Maori are overall more interesting as far as Polynesian representation is concerned.)
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[SagarRathore]

Argentina - 8
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16
Burma - 21
Gaul - 17-3=14 I dont see much space left in Europe
Goths - 21
Colombia / Gran Colombia - 12
Hawaiians - 8
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 22+1=23 as a decent neighbour I support Tibet
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I don't know if it will still do any good, but Colombia was the term that they used for the short lived "Gran Colombia" when it existed as that name is only used today by historians to distinguish it from the country of today. So no matter what I think it should be called Colombia.

Argentina - 8+1=9 Eva Peron, tango music, and gauchos would be interesting in game indeed.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16
Burma - 21
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Colombia / Gran Colombia - 12
Hawaiians - 8
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 14-3=11 La Venta as a city-state with colossal head improvements is probably the closest thing we will get unless we can learn more. Plus I don't see them getting in before the Maya.
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Just to get my own 2 cents in, I also agree with Bolivar's civ being called Colombia instead of Gran Colombia.

Argentina - 9
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16
Burma - 21
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Colombia / Gran Colombia - 12
Hawaiians - 8 + 1 = 9 I think its possible to make a good design for at least a second Polynesian group and the Hawaiians are easily one of the contenders if it does happen. They could have more of a trade focus than the Maori and perhaps all the cities you settle start with a Harbor?
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 11 - 3 = 8 Its hard for me to downvote anyone here but I finally settled on the Olmecs. They are a very fascinating civilization but until we learn more about them and their leaders it would be best to represent them as a city-state for now. If we want new Mesoamerican civs the Tarascans, Mixtecs, and Zapotecs would be good options.
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[AmazonQueen]

Argentina - 9-3=6. I'd prefer Gran Colombia to Argentina and I'm not that keen on Gran Colombia.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 16+1=17. I think either Bulgaria or Romania would work but of the 2 I'd pick Bulgaria.
Burma - 21
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Colombia / Gran Colombia - 12
Hawaiians - 9
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 8
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[Xandinho]

For me, OK. We can rename Gran Colombia to Colombia, let us consider the history of Colombia more than the Bolivar period.

Argentina - 7 (6+1) I still think that Argentina is an underestimate. We can not forget that Buenos Aires is considered the "Paris of South America", showing its cultural importance, in addition to which Argentina was once one of the 10 richest countries in the world and it was involved in the War of Paraguay in the 19th century. Besides of Eva Perón, of course.
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 17
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 6 (9-3) Not too interested now.
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 8
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[Jkchart]

For me, OK. We can rename Gran Colombia to Colombia, let us consider the history of Colombia more than the Bolivar period.

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 17+1=8 Bulgaria helped shape much of the early middle ages, was a player in both world wars, and is between both the Ottoman Empire and Hungary. They have a massive legacy in the Balkans and are the best choice for a true South Slavic nation to be added in the game. I think they would be a fantastic addition to the series.
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 6
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 8-3 = 5 I agree with one of the La Venta city state reasonings earlier on this thread. Olmecs as a full civ seems too unlikely/difficult, though they would be cool if we could learn more. It's the best choice for them to be represented the way they currently are.
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 9
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 7 (6 + 1) - I must protect this cinnamon roll. Sorry, just CBR instinct kicking in. I think if we get Ireland then Hawaii's chances might improve as a kind of tourism-alternative to the Maori, although I admit there are many complications to their implementation and they are not necessary. In many respects, Hawaii is similar to Madagascar: quite unique in its own right, representing an endpoint of Macronesian exploration, and yet so self-contained that it's hard to argue it had much impact on the surrounding region (which, well, we have Scotland which held an overseas empire for 2.5 seconds so I'm not completely discounting smaller nations...just mostly). But...we have fudging Rapa Nui as a CS and no sign of Hawaii? I need at least throw them a token upvote to call BS and hope we at least get a Hawaii CS as consolation.
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 5
Pueblo - 17
Romania - 6 (9 - 3) - I'm currently having a mini existential crisis about Colombia vs. Argentina and to buy myself some time to make a decision I'm just going to keep downvoting Romania. Also, because it seems like it won't last much longer, I'm going to plug as always the extremely controversial idea of having the Romani as a nomadic civ instead (who coincidentally trace their written history and unified cultural identity to the Wallachia region and still today retain their highest populations in Romania, despite having nothing to do with the Roman cultural heritage). I personally love the concept of the Romani in a vacuum as a kind of proto-phyle; in actuality they would be politically problematic but I can dream and hope continued exposure might smooth out some of their edges.
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[The Kingmaker]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 14+1=15 More support for the ancient Celts!
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 7
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 5
Pueblo - 17-3=14 An interesting, unique culture. But they don’t want to be in Civ, so... <shrug>
Romania - 6
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[Edmund Ironside]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 7
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 5
Pueblo - 14
Romania - 6-3=3 As stated by others, Vlad the Impaler would make an interesting leader, but there are already several civs in that region, and Bulgaria are the better choice out of the two.
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23+1=24 They were important regional rival of China for a while, and deserve to be included regardless of the present controversy over their current status.
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22

 

[conorbebe]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 7 + 1 = 8 My personal most-wanted civilisation. I adore Polynesian culture and despite the inclusion of the Māori, I believe this region deserves more recognition. There are plenty of ways Hawaii could be distinguished, for they could have more of a tourism focus, with war canoes for their UA and fish ponds for their UI. Furthermore, Kamehameha is such an iconic and famous leader it would be a shame not to see him return in Civ VI.
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 20
Olmecs - 5
Pueblo - 14
Romania - 3
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 22 - 3 = 19 There are other civilisations in this region I would prefer to be included, such as Burma and Siam.

 

[Amrunril]

Argentina - 7
Armenia - 21
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 20
Bulgaria - 18
Burma - 21
Colombia - 12
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hawaiians - 8
Hebrews - 19 (22 - 3) Obviously very important in a cultural and religious sense, but the way larger powers interacted with it makes it pretty much the perfect example of a city state (though the current suzerain bonus really doesn't do it justice. A city state that founds its own religion and gives its suzerain the founder benefits could be far more interesting).
Italy - 21
Madagascar - 23
Muisca -12
Navajo - 21 (20 + 1) A prominent civ in a region with no representation in any edition of the game.
Olmecs - 5
Pueblo - 14
Romania - 3
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 24
Tlingit - 20
Vietnam - 19