Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Thread

[TahamiTsunami]

My schedule is shifting a bit right now so if no one minds I'll be voting a bit earlier today since I won't be able to later in the day.

I was hoping to give the Pueblo more time so it's sad to see them go. Several groups make up the Publoans and, while the Tewa said no before for Civ 5, the Hopi and Acoma could've said yes and they'd certainly be a worthy choice if they did.

Armenia - 18
Ashanti - 20
Berbers - 8
Bulgaria - 15
Burma - 21
Colombia - 10
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 20
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 24
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23 (26 - 3) Their history and accomplishments are undoubtedly impressive so I'd love to see Tibet make it in at some point. However, if the Pueblo are going to be cut because 'it won't happen' then it's a bit harder to justify why Tibet should stick around much longer let alone claim the #1 spot if its arguably even less likely to happen. I'll be all ears if someone wants to explain why.
Tlingit - 13 (12 + 1) We all have our likes, our dislikes, and our opinions so I'm not expecting to sway anyone who's dead set on seeing them leave. However, I do think I've made some strong defenses of their leaders, overall strengths, uniqueness, and the accomplishments they made despite the tough hand history gave them. If you're looking for only the worthiest choices for native NA civs like the Iroquois then the Tlingit won't disappoint. Even if you don't think they're as good as some of the European or Asian empires on this list I'd like to think that at least most people can understand and see why the Tlingit should be included as one of a handful of worthy native NA civs.
Vietnam- 20

 

[Henri Christophe]

Armenia - 18
Ashanti - 23 (20+3) This game don't have ANY slavery kingdom, that isn't just a civ who never be in the game, is a time period totally ignored.
Berbers - 8
Bulgaria - 15
Burma - 21
Colombia - 10
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 17 (20-3) This game already got Rome to be kind of Italy, I know it is not the same, but also is not different either.
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 24
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 23
Tlingit - 13
Vietnam- 20

 

[TeddyMain]

Armenia - 18
Ashanti - 23
Berbers - 8
Bulgaria - 15
Burma - 21
Colombia - 11 (10+1) I'm baffled that such an historically influential nation is so low. Bolivar's legacy as the head of the continent's decolonization and the nation's abundance in resources need to be represented in some sense, whether that be Colombia, Gran Colombia, Venezuela, etc. Either way, I feel like they would be more welcome by the community then the Muisca or the Arawak, who have far less of notoriety in the public's eyes than Colombia.
Gaul - 14
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 17
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 24
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20 (23-3) Tibet does have an incredible culture and stood as an impressive rival to the Chinese in the past, but with the region's status and the Chinese government, it would never happen. If the developer's decision to include the Pueblo created quite the controversy with the tribal leaders, imagine the complete ****storm that would be Tibetan inclusion. I feel like this also applies to the Hebrews and reception in Arab states (I definitely don't want to dive into that mess), but a civ based around Tibet would almost certainly result in the game being barred from the largest gaming market on the planet and thus lost revenue. It would be an awful business venture.
Tlingit - 13
Vietnam- 20

 

[Jkchart]

Armenia - 18
Ashanti - 23
Berbers - 8
Bulgaria - 15
Burma - 21
Colombia - 11
Gaul - 14+1 = 15. I get that there is not a lot of "room" left on Europe, but I've always wanted an actual Gaul civ to appear to replace the awful Celtic blob. I love that we got Scotland, but Gaul is really where I want them to go with it.
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 17-3 = 14. Okay...would I mind Italy? No. But at the same time...it's another one of the choices here I want less than others.
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 24
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20
Tlingit - 13
Vietnam- 20

 

[AmazonQueen]

Armenia - 18+1=19. So much history to draw on.
Ashanti - 23
Berbers - 8
Bulgaria - 15
Burma - 21
Colombia - 11-3=8. I just don't like former colonies in Civ. It is going to be very hard to choose anyone to vote down when Colombia are out.
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 14
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 24
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20
Tlingit - 13
Vietnam- 20

 

[Xandinho]

Armenia - 19
Ashanti - 21 Adjusted. @Henri Christophe, your uptvote must add +1 point instead of +3 points.
Berbers - 8
Bulgaria - 12 (15-3) It would be a good choice, but there are many European civs that I would add before: Portugal, Byzantines, Italy, Goths, Austria, Gauls, Romania... Bulgaria is low on my list of priorities, even among Europeans.
Burma - 21
Colombia - 9 (8+1) Although I prefer Argentina, I still think the gap of former Spanish colony should be filled. Colombia has its merits, not just because it has an iconic leader.
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 14
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 24
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20
Tlingit - 13
Vietnam- 20

 

[679x]

Armenia - 19
Ashanti - 22 (21+1) - Indeed, it is a time period + location combo that has yet to appear in Civ (outside of city-states), despite a wealth of activity going on in the region in those years. Mali is the only West African civ we have, but AFAIK doesn't seem to have enough in common with the other polities of 'West Africa' for it to represent all of it. I put quotations on that because Mali is technically in western Africa, but as I said, I don't think it truly encompasses West Africa to the point where it should be the only civ. So, if we're going to include another civ from this region in the game, we could pick from Ghana, Dahomey, Benin, Ashanti, etc. but Ashanti is the only one on this list (and and still possibly the best option, anyway, but that could be for another thread) so they receive my upvote.
Berbers - 8
Bulgaria - 12
Burma - 18 (21-3) We already have Khmer in the game, which I believe would rule out civs like Siam. I wouldn't say we shouldn't have any more SEA civs, so if we're going to have another, it would probably be out of choices like Burma or Vietnam rather than, say, Siam. Out of such a choice, I'd much prefer to have Vietnam.
Colombia - 9
Gaul - 15
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 22
Italy - 14
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 24
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20
Tlingit - 13
Vietnam- 20

 

[Naktis]

Armenia - 19
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 8
Bulgaria - 12
Burma - 18
Colombia - 9
Gaul - 12 (15-3) Overcrowded region , and we already have alt leader for France.
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 23 (22+1) What a controversial choice, I dont think firaxis has the guts to add them or do they ?!
Italy - 14
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 24
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20
Tlingit - 13
Vietnam- 20

 

[Cave Johnson]

This looks cool, guess I'll join in.

Armenia - 19
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 5 (8-3) Like others already said, I would prefer Morocco to come back.
Bulgaria - 12
Burma - 18
Colombia - 9
Gaul - 12
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 23
Italy - 14
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25 (24+1) I think North America is quite underrepresented, and I consider them a rather "important" group of Native Americans.
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20
Tlingit - 13
Vietnam- 20

 

[Amrunril]

Armenia - 16 (19 - 3) This seems to overlap fairly heavily with Georgia. Perhaps for Civ VII?
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 5
Bulgaria - 12
Burma - 18
Colombia - 9
Gaul - 12
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 23
Italy - 14
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20 Remember, the idea of this thread is to vote for civs you would like to see, not the ones you think are likely to appear. The Chinese government's censorship may unfortunately weigh on Firaxis' ultimate choice, but there's no reason we need to be constrained by it in our discussion of what we think would make an interesting civ. This is a different situation from the Pueblo, where the issue was respect for the wishes of the people themselves.
Tlingit - 14 (13 + 1) In my view, the point of having many playable civs is to provide variety in as many ways as possible. The mechanical side of which civs will do this best is hard to predict, but on the cultural side, it's hard to overstate just how much potential there is in the Americas and Sub-Saharan Africa.
Vietnam- 20

 

[The Kingmaker]

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 5-3=2 Nothing against them. I think Morocco might be the better option for representing them.
Bulgaria - 12
Burma - 18
Colombia - 9
Gaul - 12+1=13 Best option for an early European civ. Romans need a proper contemporary to battle.
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 23
Italy - 14
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20
Tlingit - 14
Vietnam - 20

 

[SagarRathore]

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 2
Bulgaria - 13-3=10 not on my priority list.May be other civs from Europe have better claim
Burma - 18
Colombia - 9
Gaul - 13
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 23
Italy - 11
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 20+1 =21 well Amrunril made a decent point.Moreover Tibet can be represented by Zhang Zhung or Songtsen gampo. I don't think china can object to representation of Tibet by these two powers as they claim Tibet only on the basis of Qing Empire.A mountainous civ based in Himalayas would enrich game many fold.Just change the name or pick another power from different era before formation of PRC.Even choosing Bhutan to represent Tibetan culture would be fine.
Tlingit - 14
Vietnam - 20

 

[Lord Lakely]

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 2
Bulgaria - 11 (10+1) Let's see, THE dominant military power in Eastern Europe during the 9th-11th century, possess a rich cultural tradition which dates back to the ancient Thracians, invented a liturgical alphabet used it to spread Christianity all over Eastern Europe (hereby popularizing both the cyrillic script AND polyphonic singing across all slavic nations), becoming THE dominant orthodox power until the Macedonian Renaissance. Bulgaria's claim to get into Civ is at least as strong as those for Sweden, Ukraine, Ireland and Hungary, and stronger than those for Italy, Goths, Norway, Lithuania, Yugoslavia and Romania.
Burma - 18
Colombia - 9
Gaul - 13
Goths - 21
Hebrews - 23
Italy - 11
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 18 (21-3) I'm just not hyped, at all. Sure, the fact that they won't be included, ever, also contributes to my apathy, but there are other options in central asia I find much more exciting (Burma, Vietnam, Uzbeks, Malaysia, Manchuria, Ainu). Good minor civ potential though and I wouldn't be sad if Lhasa became a city state again.
Tlingit - 14
Vietnam - 20

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 2
Bulgaria - 11
Burma - 18
Colombia - 9
Gaul - 13
Goths - 21-3=18 Europe is getting crowded and I'd prefer Gaul if we were choosing a pre-Medieval European Civ.
Hebrews - 23
Italy - 11+1=12 I would much rather have Italy than one single city-state. That way you can alternate leaders with a good number of leaders from the various city-states to choose from.
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 18
Tlingit - 14
Vietnam - 20

 

[Leucarum]

Hey, interesting choice of thread time to jump in

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 2
Bulgaria - 11
Burma - 18
Colombia - 9 -3 = 6 It's difficult to defend a civ that ended so quickly no matter how influential one person was... (Assuming we're still talking about Gran Colombia)
Gaul - 13
Goths -18
Hebrews - 23
Italy - 12
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 18
Tlingit - 14 + 1 = 15 Out of the first nations that could appear, a group on the pacific northwest stands out to me. It's a region with a lot of distinct cultures that haven't been represented before and which is currently empty on the map.
Vietnam - 20

 

[Edmund Ironside]

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 2
Bulgaria - 11
Burma - 18
Colombia - 6
Gaul - 13
Goths -18
Hebrews - 24 (23+1) Plenty of interesting leader options, such as King David, King Solomon, or David Ben-Gurion. Should Hebrews be added, of course. Will they be added? Well if they had an emphasis on the ancient Hebrews it would have a better chance. Just like as was mentioned with Tibet, you can recognize past civilizations without needing to recognize them as currently independent. Scotland being in the game does not necessarily mean support for an independent Scotland and the break up of the United Kingdom!
Italy - 12
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 18
Tlingit - 12 (15-3) Just because there is a gap in the map does not mean it has to be filled! For me at the end of the day the Tlinget are either the least or jointly least significant civilization on this list in terms of impact at the time or lasting legacy.
Vietnam - 20

 

[Jkchart]

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Berbers - 2-3 =0 ELIMINATED. Easy to vote someone off the island when they're on the edge. I also personally want Morocco to return. Not that the Berbers are a bad choice at all!
Bulgaria - 11+1 = 12. The Bulgarian Empire was historically significant and helped shape the Balkans in the Middle Ages. There's so much potential with these guys, I really am sad about the hate they are getting.
Burma - 18
Colombia - 6
Gaul - 13
Goths -18
Hebrews - 24
Italy - 12
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 18
Tlingit - 12
Vietnam - 20

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Bulgaria - 12
Burma - 18
Colombia - 7 (6 + 1) - This is the last time I upvote this because there are other civs that need saving, but I do have to observe that we already have Hungary a civ which survived with some core territory for centuries but only had a very small period of expansion before collapsing back into its old borders. Gran Colombia, before seceding from the Spanish, was New Granada for a couple centuries, creating a sort of cultural continuity that long preceded Bolivar. And even to this day, Colombia and Venezuela are culturally sister countries with very collaborative peoples. Although Gran Colombia didn't last long, neither did the Hungarian "empire" under Matthias Corvinus, and yet Hungary was added for its long-standing regional influence. The fact that Colombia can reasonably tie into both the Muisca (Museo del Oro) and the Arawakan/Taino continuum (canoe) makes it potentially one of the most multi-faceted candidates, and even if I'm not sure how it might be streamlined into a cohesive concept, it has far more potential than several civs on this list. It could be for the Caribbean and Amazon river basin what the Maori are for Polynesia or Scythia for the Eurasian steppe. Really great niche filler.
Gauls - 10 (13 - 3) - The idea that we need a Celt civ seems an unnecessarily limiting argument from tradition that ignores the design space that has been filled and opened up by Scotland. We have a great civ repping the modern six Celtic nations that have survived history, and if that still doesn't feel like it's representing the diversity of Celtic heritage or hitting the flavor right, Ireland is still in the running. Although I think expecting opportunities for contemporaneous battles to generally go against Civ's desire to span time rather than snapshot it, if you want something for Rome to fight against, the Goths are imo a much more dramatic and influential adversary. And even if you're not sold on the Goths as a contemporary, it seems like Germany is set to get a second leader and we may get Arminius. In conclusion, Verc looks like my yeardie Latin teacher from high school in bad LotR cosplay, and we can do better.
Goths -18
Hebrews - 24
Italy - 12
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 18
Tlingit - 12
Vietnam - 20

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Tibet - 20 Remember, the idea of this thread is to vote for civs you would like to see, not the ones you think are likely to appear. The Chinese government's censorship may unfortunately weigh on Firaxis' ultimate choice, but there's no reason we need to be constrained by it in our discussion of what we think would make an interesting civ. This is a different situation from the Pueblo, where the issue was respect for the wishes of the people themselves.

I definitely agree with voting on what we'd like to see since otherwise Tibet and the Pueblo would never be in these games. Even ignoring my thoughts that we could see a more specific Puebloan group like the Hopi or Acoma, my contention was that Tibet was upvoted to the top regardless of its unlikeliness because the opinions of the Chinese government shouldn't stop us from voting for it in a little forum game but many of the down votes for the Pueblo were specifically because of its unlikeliness. Sure, the people themselves had an issue with appearing but like with Tibet I don't necessarily think that should be an issue in a forum game. I just found it a little inconsistent is all so i apologize if i was seen as being a bit contentious. For the record I do genuinely like Tibet.

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Bulgaria - 12
Burma - 18
Colombia - 8 (7 + 1) I'll get back to upvoting the Tlingit after I give some love to Colombia because I agree that there is potential for quite a unique civ here. I'd be less certain if it was a 1 v 1 between this and Muisca or Argentina but if it's the only SA civ left then I think it's worth considering for at least a bit longer.
Gauls - 10
Goths -18
Hebrews - 24
Italy - 9 (12 - 3) They're a cool choice but there are other European choices in this list that I'd personally like more.
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 18
Tlingit - 12
Vietnam - 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Armenia - 16
Ashanti - 22
Bulgaria - 12
Burma - 18
Colombia - 8 + 1 = 9 As pointed out elsewhere, we kinda need another South American representative, and Colombia is a shortcut to getting numerous other modern nations’ contributions against colonial Spain represented. And as far as big personalities, there are relatively few leaders for civs remaining that would fit the Civ VI bill better than Simon Bolivar. Also, even though I don’t like coffee, Colombian coffee is a force to be reckoned with. And I want to see allusions to the Colombian ethnic and cultural diversity more than I want to see a less diverse group represented. I think at least several other groups remaining on this list are less important, and occupy more troubling spots on a potential TSL map, let alone representation world map.
Gauls - 10 - 3 = 7 (I prefer the Goths since they were overall more successful against Rome, and not because they sacked Rome, but because under leaders like Theodoric they had some significant infrastructure and political involvement with Huns, Byzantines, and other groups. Vercingetorix and others are fun ideas, but I think their legacy and fame was somewhat less significant than Theodoric the Great and other Gothic rulers like Alaric.)
Goths -18
Hebrews - 24
Italy - 9
Madagascar - 18
Navajo - 25
Swahili - 20
Tibet - 18
Tlingit - 12
Vietnam - 20