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The post I replayed to was not about French-centrism in the European pie of Civs but about the overrepresentation of Europe and this is how I understood it:
The thread is about French Civ. Thenewwwguy said: "Please, we already got Normandy. we really need more indigenous americas, africa, asia and oceania in dlc since its too late to correct that mistake now" - you pointed Normandy and France (Civs) as a problem or mistake, and then you demanded a solution: naming Civilizations we need from every continent except Europe. Logically it literally means "Please fewer European Civilizations, because we have too many and this is a mistake".

As for Civs diversity within Europe. Well with only two Civs per age you will always have a dilemma - do you want six different unconnected Civs but well-addressing cultural diversity, or do you rather want one consistent Meta Civ like (Gauls - Normans - French Empire). It is very subjective. This applies to all continents, not just Europe by the way.

In general, I agree. Era system creates a problem of a small number of Civilizations.
bro you’re just saying things atp
 
bro you’re just saying things atp
OK, so you are ok with more European Civs in a game in future DLC? Right? And there is no problem that France is a modern era in vanilla Civ? Just asking.

Can you pls explain what you mean by mistake here: "we really need more indigenous americas, africa, asia and oceania in dlc since its too late to correct that mistake now" thank you :)
 
OK, so you are ok with more European Civs in a game in future DLC? Right? And there is no problem that France is a modern era in vanilla Civ? Just asking.

Can you pls explain what you mean by mistake here: "we really need more indigenous americas, africa, asia and oceania in dlc since its too late to correct that mistake now" thank you :)
yeah I’m fine with more european civs in DLC, and France in its modern civ is fine.

I meant what I said—between the leaders and civs, Europe is overrepresented and unlike many of the other civs, most of the european civs have logical pathways through the eras, which the others do not (Africa and Indigenous America are especially bad)

you can choose to take it weirdly personally and pretend like I’ve said something offensive but it’s evident to everyone that 3 French Leaders/3 American leaders in a base game where we don’t even have a complete path for Africa is excessive.

fwiw, what civs are yet to come matters to me too—The netherlands and portugal would be very much overlapping with spain and chola the way they’re traditionally portrayed. Poland, Czechia would be far more interesting european civ inclusions

we also don’t have much scandinavian or celtic representation, which I’d like to see—Denmark, Ireland, Cumbrians, Britons, Wales whatever it may be
 
yeah I’m fine with more european civs in DLC, and France in its modern civ is fine.

I meant what I said—between the leaders and civs, Europe is overrepresented and unlike many of the other civs, most of the european civs have logical pathways through the eras, which the others do not (Africa and Indigenous America are especially bad)
I wouldn't agree that Europe does have a single logical pathway either currently. I would argue the most logical right now would be China, maybe India. At least in my mind Rome or Greece going into the Normans, is still somewhat illogical. Rome>Spain> Mexico might be a little better, but probably won't be preferable until we get Aztecs and then Maya>Aztecs>Mexico will be better.
fwiw, what civs are yet to come matters to me too—The netherlands and portugal would be very much overlapping with spain and chola the way they’re traditionally portrayed. Poland, Czechia would be far more interesting european civ inclusions

we also don’t have much scandinavian or celtic representation, which I’d like to see—Denmark, Ireland, Cumbrians, Britons, Wales whatever it may be
I could possibly see the Netherlands getting into Modern, so that wouldn't be a big deal, though who knows if that would overlap with the British? Overlaps will eventually happen but I'm expecting a lot more civs in this game than we've had before, so I expect to get all the regulars plus a whole lot of new ones.

For example, I can see for Scandinavia being Norse>Denmark>Sweden, with the Norse>Normans also being a branch.
Iceni>Ireland/Normans>British is another potential path I could see happening as well.
 
The post I replayed to was not about French-centrism in the European pie of Civs but about the overrepresentation of Europe and this is how I understood it:
The thread is about French Civ. Thenewwwguy said: "Please, we already got Normandy. we really need more indigenous americas, africa, asia and oceania in dlc since its too late to correct that mistake now" - you pointed Normandy and France (Civs) as a problem or mistake, and then you demanded a solution: naming Civilizations we need from every continent except Europe. Logically it literally means "Please fewer European Civilizations, because we have too many and this is a mistake".

As for Civs diversity within Europe. Well with only two Civs per age you will always have a dilemma - do you want six different unconnected Civs but well-addressing cultural diversity, or do you rather want one consistent Meta Civ like (Gauls - Normans - French Empire). It is very subjective. This applies to all continents, not just Europe by the way.

In general, I agree. Era system creates a problem of a small number of Civilizations.
I'm not sure I know what I'm being asked?

I'm sure as more civs come out a lot of these arguments will fade in time. Unfortunately that'll feed Firaxis' DLC policy which does feel like it's looking excessive...
 
Prerelease land units showing here on Nuclear Arsenal of Civ7 videoguide.
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^ Field Cannon (or Field gun) with horse drawn caissons. FT17 being Landship. (the only two mass produced landships. though Siamese used British Mk IV Rhomboid which is actually 'Potential History What If' scenario.) and it appears that French Imperial Guard replaced Linear Infantry completely. and ... I don't see WW1 iterations at all.


And Who's that man with shirts up leading the US of A? But Tecumseh became King of Siam. eh?
 
Also generic units must be upgraded manually. because here. Combustions are researched (as well as Industrialization).
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^ Even Modern Age embarkations still be the same Ancient barges!
And Astrakhan has fieldworks around its center. is this a manual Field Fortifications done by defender unit or a city construction command??
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^ French tanks are Shermans. and AT guns look very small. this one should be 37mm. while late war model can actually reaches 90 or 100. It can be bigger to also represents dual purpose fieldguns.
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^ Two things confirmed here... Assault Gun is the final evolution of siege line, and Imperial Guard is French Infantry Class replacements for the whole age. I don't see 'self upgrading' yet.

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^ So 'Fortifications' shown here are city defense buidings and not a fieldworks done by any unit occupying a city hex?
And Modern Age 'Walls' being THIS SIMPLE huh? no gun casemates, no masonry bastion, no starforts no bunkers??
 
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