pre-release info New Civ Guide: French Empire

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It doesn’t affect what you do. It affects your game bonuses to Relationship stat.
Which affects your relationship, which affects the game. Agendas are bad enough when they apply one way.
 
Which affects your relationship, which affects the game. Agendas are bad enough when they apply one way.
Exactly it affects the game, not what you Do.
Basically it says which civs you (and them) will have to spend more ore less influence on.
If the Agendas are for AI only then your gameplay + their Leader counts
If Agendas are for everyone then your Leader and their gameplay counts.

You and the other player Choose your relationship…it’s just a matter of how much influence needs to be spent to get it that far up (or down)
 
If Agendas are for everyone then your Leader and their gameplay counts.
I don't want my leader to count. I don't like the Mortal Kombat diplomacy, I don't like being forced to "be" [insert leader here] rather than just taking [insert leader]'s bonuses. I know Firaxis is pushing the narrative that "you are Hatshepsut!," but I've never approached the game that way. I plan to mod out as many of the things they've implemented to push that narrative as possible, hopefully starting with Mortal Kombat diplomacy. The AI leader and its personality is very important, but the player's leader should just be a gameplay bonus and that's it.
 
I don't want my leader to count. I don't like the Mortal Kombat diplomacy, I don't like being forced to "be" [insert leader here] rather than just taking [insert leader]'s bonuses.

The AI leader and its personality is very important, but the player's leader should just be a gameplay bonus and that's it.
The agenda Is just a (mixed) bonus. it makes some things cheaper and other things more expensive.

Augutus doesn’t force the player(human or AI) to build a lot of towns…he incentivizes it through game mechanics bonuses.

Augustus doesn’t force the player (human or AI) into war with townmongers and alliance with citymongers…he incentivizes it through game mechanics bonuses.

Now what the AI does when it has Augustus’ bonuses is probably play to the strengths (lots of towns and take some from town civs)
But that is the AI behavior programming which might be related to the bonuses, but we know Nothing of the AI programming.

Given that Agendas are a mixed bonus (sometimes they are a bonus, sometimes a penalty) I can see not liking them shaping your strategy to the degree they do.
 
I plan to mod out as many of the things they've implemented to push that narrative as possible, hopefully starting with Mortal Kombat diplomacy.
Rotating a leader animation 90 degrees and getting rid of the other one seems plausible enough, right?
 
Rotating a leader animation 90 degrees and getting rid of the other one seems plausible enough, right?
I would think so. We see the leader head-on in the leader introduction screen so it seems like it should be doable. And the player's leader just yells at them from off screen.
 
please, we already got normandy

too many france associated civs and leaders, we really need more indigenous americas, africa, asia and oceania in dlc since its too late to correct that mistake now.
Ridiculous. France alone is not Europe.

Europe has been central to world history for two thousand years and it is vastly underrepresented for a game about world history and civilizations.
 
Ridiculous. France alone is not Europe.

Europe has been central to world history for two thousand years and it is vastly underrepresented for a game about world history and civilizations.
besides the fact that this is inherently a eurocentric view, notice i complained about france and not europe.
 
Calling the Normans a French civ when in all practical sense they are medieval England with a couple extra towns remains an epic stretch.
 
No need. From the live streams, the only time you see your own leader in the diplomacy screen is on first meet and DOW, so very rarely.
I believe we've also seen it when an Endeavor is offered.
 
No need. From the live streams, the only time you see your own leader in the diplomacy screen is on first meet and DOW, so very rarely.
Do you have a screenshot of what diplomacy looks like when you are not in the screen?
 

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I believe we've also seen it when an Endeavor is offered.
Hm, perhaps it’s only when the AI approaches the player, then? I confess I don’t recall the AI doing that once during the streams.

It’s definitely the case that that when you approach the AI the diplomacy menu hides your leader. See 31:00 on the Modern Age stream for an example.
I don’t think this is the case?
See above.
 
Are you sure that menu bar isn't just temporarily covering you up?
 
Hm, perhaps it’s only when the AI approaches the player, then? I confess I don’t recall the AI doing that once during the streams.

It’s definitely the case that that when you approach the AI the diplomacy menu hides your leader. See 31:00 on the Modern Age stream for an example.

See above.
Machiavelli offers a deal at least once in the Modern Age stream, and it has both visible.
 
Yeah, Confucius is still looking at where your avatar would be.
 
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