New Super League, breaks European football

[sherbz]

Even though at the same time Inter are preparing to pull out.

 

[Josu]

I see Agnelli is saying that for the Italians and Spanish it is still going to go ahead. I sincerely doubt it. For a start I cant see JP Morgan continuing to pledge the €4BN in loans. So there is that. And second once the Spanish see that England has walked, their supporters will want the same and probably force Perez out.

Perez has been reelected as Real Madrid's chairman just this last Sunday

 

[PhroX]

Perez has been reelected as Real Madrid's chairman just this last Sunday

Didn't he change the rules on running for said election so that he was the only candidate (or at least, the only one with a chance)? I'm sure I read something like that in the last few days.

 

[sherbz]

Perez has been reelected as Real Madrid's chairman just this last Sunday

What a coward. Gets re elected then immediately drops a bomb on the football world. What a disgrace of a human being.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Mainly agree but let me introduce a punctuation, neither Real Madrid or Barcelona are owned by eccentrics.

Thank you for that. Tempted as I am to argue that all football fans investing in their clubs are eccentrics,
it would be more honest for me to say that I typed in haste and had not investigated Spanish ownership.

 

[sherbz]

Thats like getting elected as PM and then the following day declaring war on China

 

[Josu]

Didn't he change the rules on running for said election so that he was the only candidate (or at least, the only one with a chance)? I'm sure I read something like that in the last few days.

No, law for on-commercial sports associations in spain is clear and is not written by Florentino Perez.
In case of this clubs, any candidate has to be club's full member with right to vote and deposite in LaLiga a guarantee equivalent to the 15% of the club's expense budget. Candidates don't have to fulfill this condition if they are going for reelection or are members of the current chairmanship (this last part is more complex than this, but goal of the this explanation is having an idea), as they desposited the guarantee before becoming president.
The idea is that if during the presidency term, the club expenses much more than incomes, the club's full members can vote and take money from this guaratee.

In this case there has not been any other candidate, mainly because it is not easy obtainging a guarantee of the 15% of Real Madrid's expense budget.

 

[uppi]

draft system would be the most critical, but it's literally unthinkable/unattainable here

And almost certainly illegal under European law.

 

[Josu]

Atletico de Madrid an Internazionale are giving up as well.

At the end the project will be a ligue with Real Madrid and Barcelona and 40 "El Clasico"s a year

 

[Josu]

Double post. sorry

 

[sherbz]

Atletico de Madrid an Internazionale are giving up as well.

At the end the project will be a ligue with Real Madrid and Barcelona and 40 "El Clasico"s a year

They will have to change the name of it to El Estupido

 

[EgonSpengler]

Whenever I see something mishandled this badly, I always wonder if there was some craftiness behind it. I wonder if they ever intended for this to go through as presented, or merely to use it as a negotiating ploy. Even so, even if some eventual compromise was the intent, it seems to have been bungled eight ways from Sunday. I don't even see this as putting pressure on UEFA to make changes. If anything, the status quo may have been strengthened by this, but I guess we'll see.

 

[Samson]

Whenever I see something mishandled this badly, I always wonder if there was some craftiness behind it. I wonder if they ever intended for this to go through as presented, or merely to use it as a negotiating ploy. Even so, even if some eventual compromise was the intent, it seems to have been bungled eight ways from Sunday. I don't even see this as putting pressure on UEFA to make changes. If anything, the status quo may have been strengthened by this, but I guess we'll see.

It seems to me they have weakened their hand. Without this they could have plausibly threatened to start their own league if UEFA did not give them the Champions league they wanted, no one will believe their threat now.

 

[EgonSpengler]

It seems to me they have weakened their hand. Without this they could have plausibly threatened to start their own league if UEFA did not give them the Champions league they wanted, no one will believe their threat now.

Exactly. If this was supposed to be some sort of "crazy like a fox" move that would force concessions, I don't think it even accomplished that much. It's just all weird. I tend to look for the cunning Bond-villain angle, the clever misdirect, the chess master thinking 5 moves ahead, but sometimes the people who look like incompetent buffoons are really just incompetent buffoons.

 

[Samson]

Exactly. If this was supposed to be some sort of "crazy like a fox" move that would force concessions, I don't think it even accomplished that much. It's just all weird. I tend to look for the cunning Bond-villain angle, the clever misdirect, the chess master thinking 5 moves ahead, but sometimes the people who look like incompetent buffoons are really just incompetent buffoons.

I am convinced it is billionaires just thinking they can do what they wish, because usually they are right.

 

[really]

I think they were expecting something like what happened when the English Premier League was created - lots of initial grumbling but with support from key bodies eventual acceptance as being inevitable.

My memories from back then aren't clear but I think a big difference was that most of the top league was going to benefit from sharing sattelite TV money, and those in lower league leagues had a route into it via promotion/relegation.

There weren't many apparent benefits to any other club from this move.

I'm sure it will be back in some form in the future - the money is too big to resist.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I am convinced it is billionaires just thinking they can do what they wish, because usually they are right.

Not relevant to this thread, but I think this is what happened to Donald Trump too. He was just so accustomed to doing and getting (and getting away with) whatever the f he wanted, that he really thought he could just waltz into politics like he owned the place.

 

[warpus]

Also a bit of a tangent, but talks of a MLS & Liga MX merger have cooled down a bit as a result of this. I have no idea what sort of merger they were discussing behind the scenes, but they were discussing something. It still might happen, but from what people are saying, we likely won't hear about it anytime soon now.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Also a bit of a tangent, but talks of a MLS & Liga MX merger have cooled down a bit as a result of this. I have no idea what sort of merger they were discussing behind the scenes, but they were discussing something. It still might happen, but from what people are saying, we likely won't hear about it anytime soon now.

See, that sounds cool to me, a full-blown North American league, but I have no idea what the Mexican fans would think about it.

 

[warpus]

See, that sounds cool to me, a full-blown North American league, but I have no idea what the Mexican fans would think about it.

I think it could work if they do it right, but I'm skeptical. Right now the only time MLS sides meet Mexican sides is in the champions league and other continental competitions. As a result these competitions seem special and unique. It's like a "final boss" sort of situation. You play local clubs in your local league all season, and those few special clubs who qualify for the continental competition end up facing strong Mexican sides. Away games are a whole different game when this happens and home legs have a different feel as well, a sort of.. carnival feel. If MLS sides were facing Liga MX sides every week, that would take away some of that magic and uniqueness of these other competitions IMO.

One idea I've seen thrown around (by fans) was that you'd have Liga MX clubs in their own division and MLS sides in another one. Sort of like American baseball is split into 2 leagues. You'd have occasional inter-league play, but it would be minimal. The top clubs from both leagues would then face off in the playoffs at the end of the year and fight for the North American cup or whatever.

That might work, but it would take away from the magic of the champions league too.. If the playoffs feel the same as the champions league knockout round.. what's the point then? So I'm not really convinced, but I am a bit intrigued, because playing Mexican sides is always fun. Our players seem to relish the opportunity to play against such strong opposition (We just beat the Mexican champions last week, our players are always pumped up for these matches)