Except if you do it like you did in your example
Are you able to define any difference of a pantheon and a religion? The game make a difference, but you can call following a pantheon with a god/gods also religion. For me, it's the same.Except if you do it like you did in your example
But you make a good point: should a player without a religion be able to buy Monasteries? What would the monks be worshiping there? Some primitive Pantheon? That doesn't seem right.
Well that's just it; what religion do you know that worships just one god specific to a certain type of aspect of human life? There is none that I'm aware; there are several that worship many gods, "responsible" for all sorts of things or you have religions like the Abrahamic ones that have one God but he "does everything". I think most of the Pantheon titles / descriptions do a good job of delineating or at least hinting at that difference.
I believe the reason this loss of faith feature was added was in order to weaken a strategy of intentionally not trying to get a great prophet, instead just taking someone else's and then quickly enhancing your religion. You can enhance quickly because you pay less for a great prophet, since its technically your first one. IF you take a holy city on turn 100, you can expect to have at least a couple hundred faith built up, even with a very low faith pantheon and only 1 shrine, and the cities you take will probably have decent faith.Except if you do it like you did in your example
Shintoismn, Hinduism, both have a very strong pantheon like polytheistic tradition, and both are core religions in Civ 5.
That's a subjective view. A monastery is a housing for follower of a religion, which dedicate their life to the gods. A place where they pray, work and life. I don't see any reason why a pantheon priest shouldn't life in a monastery.
As far as I know Gazebo gave pantheons also a small pressure value. Missionaries were exsistant all time, even in pantheons. They were simply not called that and they didn't dedicated their whole life to spread the religion. This is more an invention of later ages.
As I said, Pantheon actually means "set of gods in a religion" but this is obviously not how it's meant in VP; rather it is a sort of precursor to a real religion. I also specifically mentioned polytheistic religions not being a Pantheon in the Civ 5 VP sense earlier, for the same reason, after you said that a Monastery could be linked to just one god, like a god of hunting; you're flip flopping all over the place with your position now.
Yes, I know it's subjective, that's why I said "for me"; I still find it weird that there would be a Monastery full of monks praying and philosophizing all day while worshiping a god of hunting; that's not how Monasteries work, in my opinion; there needs to be a much deeper, richer, actual religion involved.That's a subjective view. A monastery is a housing for follower of a religion, which dedicate their life to the gods. A place where they pray, work and life. I don't see any reason why a pantheon priest shouldn't life in a monastery.
It's still a religion that concerns itself with all aspects of life and life itself; it's not just some pantheon about a god of hunting.
A philosopher or someone who takes "thinking and talking about spiritual matters" up as a hobby is not a Missionary. The Missionaries you buy ingame don't go back to work your fields after they spread their religion, do they?
No its a strategy. Let's start with outright skipping religion as a strategy. If you skip shrines, every other building comes available earlier. More food, hammers, gold and culture. Its a strategy with strong short term, you use your strong short term to kill an neighbor and take his religion. If you "produce as much faith as if you were trying to have a religion", this won't consistently happen, so you don't do it. You certainly don't build shrines early or choose high faith pantheons. This is obvious because you need to make sure your neighbors get religion before you do. If you're one of the people who goes shrine first in new cities you need to try skipping them for monuments, the extra early game power if very noticeable.
You can't buy a monastery (or make any faith purchases, including industrial era great people) if that city doesn't have a majority religion, so you have to wait until the Aztecs spread their religion to you before spending your faith.
You can buy monasteries in cities without a majority religion.
Is "losing the cost of a great prophet (or all faith if you don't have enough)" a possible solution?
I was given the incorrect answer in the quick questions/answers thread, then. Can you buy great people with faith without a majority religion? What about Spain's naval units (in the unlikely event she misses her religion)? Etc
Yes. You shouldn't be effectively locked out of a policy tree because you lost the race for a religion. Not being able to build monasteries means that anyone who didn't get a religion or wasn't lucky enough for a neighbour to spread their religion got a dead opener if choosing Fealty.
