None Dare Call it Christian Terrorism

[Tigranes]

That apparently claiming only Muslims can be terrorists is just downright silly?

Where did you see only? It's not enough for you to troll forums using lonely wolf ugly one year old crime as an excuse, you also add your words to my words and denounce them?

Do you even understand the difference between Christianity and religions/beliefs/-isms? In the former case God Himself shows people The Truth (Himself) in the latter case people trying to show people truth they discovered in themselves. Have you ever seen ANYWHERE in any creed the God becoming perfect Man and teaching to love your enemies? Anywhere? There cannot be ANY Christian terrorism by definition of the word Christian, How can a follower of Someone who instructs to love your enemies be a terrorist? Hello?

 

[JollyRoger]

The New Testament ends in kind of a violent, terroristic vision.

 

[Tigranes]

Are suicide bombings original Islamic tradition? I don't think so.

This case can fully well be labelled as Christian terrorism when compared to what we label as Islamic terrorism. This is the point that the OP is trying to make.

What makes you think that suicide bombing is the most gruesome form of terrorism? How about entire Jewish tribe obliterated by the actual founder of religion? And staying alive after that.

Today's actual Muslims get inspired by early Muslims, who had spread Islam by sword and blood those who got converted. Today's actual Christians get inspired by early Christians, who spread Christianity by cross and their own blood. How can you even compare?

 

[Tigranes]

The New Testament ends in kind of a violent, terroristic vision.

You surely mean this:

No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Where did you see only? It's not enough for you to troll forums using lonely wolf ugly one year old crime as an excuse, you also add your words to my words and denounce them?

Well, you are giving a free pass to Christians and Jews to commit terrorist acts without any negative reflection on Christianity and Judaism, while specifically not doing so apparently for just Muslims.

Don't you even realize how hypocritical it is to use an entirely different standard for Muslims?

Do you even understand the difference between Christianity and religions/beliefs/-isms? In the former case God Himself shows people The Truth (Himself) in the latter case people trying to show people truth they discovered in themselves. Have you ever seen ANYWHERE in any creed the God becoming perfect Man and teaching to love your enemies? Anywhere? There cannot be ANY Christian terrorism by definition of the word Christian, How can a follower of Someone who instructs to love your enemies be a terrorist? Hello?

Do you even realize that all Abrahamic religions worship the very same god only in slightly different forms?

Again, Islam specifically prohibits terrorism as well. If you claim that those who commit terrorism cannot possibly be real Christians and Jews, why are Muslims treated any differently?

Either there are Muslim, Christian, and Jewish terrorism. Or there is nothing of the sort for any of them. And guess which one the world has decided to use?

 

[onejayhawk]

Again, Islam specifically prohibits terrorism as well. If you claim that those who commit terrorism cannot possibly be real Christians and Jews, why is Islam treated any differently?

Either there is Muslim, Christian, and Jewish terrorism. Or there is nothing of the sort for any of them.

Islam does not specifically prohibit terrorism of non-muslims.

There are two sets of rules. One for within Islam and one for the rest.

J

 

[Formaldehyde]

Well, I'm certainly glad you came along to debunk without any evidence at all the multitude of religious scholars of all 3 Abrahamic religions who claim just the opposite. Won't they be surprised.

Do you have any specific Islamophobic websites you think they should read?

 

[JollyRoger]

Kind of similar to the last book of the Christian Bible.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You can't get much more peaceful than the cataclysmic end of the world.

I love how Christianity can go from a supposed religion of peace to one of rampant genocide at the flip of a switch. It just depends which parts you want to quote, and which parts you want to pretend have been magically "abrogated" away when it no longer suits your purposes.

Too bad someone wasn't around to explain all this in Europe in the 30s, in Iraq in 2003, or at a KKK rally even today. I'm sure they would be fascinated to hear all about how Christianity is really a religion of peace.

 

[onejayhawk]

You can't get much more peaceful than the cataclysmic end of the world.

I love how Christianity can go from a supposed religion of peace to one of rampant genocide at the flip of a switch. It just depends which parts you want to quote, and which parts you want to pretend have been magically "abrogated" away when it no longer suits your purposes.

Too bad someone wasn't around to explain all this in Europe in the 30s, in Iraq in 2003, or at a KKK rally even today. I'm sure they would be fascinated to hear all about how Christianity is really a religion of peace.

Who claims that Christianity is a religion of peace? They don't, for the most part. Exceptions exist, such as Mennonites and Quakers. The hymn is "Onward Christian Soldiers."

J

 

[Tigranes]

=The hymn is "Onward Christian Soldiers."

Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

 

[Tigranes]

I love how Christianity can go from a supposed religion of peace to one of rampant genocide at the flip of a switch.
Too bad someone wasn't around to explain all this in Europe in the 30s, in Iraq in 2003, or at a KKK rally even today. I'm sure they would be fascinated to hear all about how Christianity is really a religion of peace.

Wait... You and ... love? Strange word in the lips of someone that spews nothing but unsubstantiated hate through out of this waste of a thread.

Did 6 Confederate soldiers follow Christ? Did Nazis in 30s? Did Iraqi invaders in 2003? No? Then don't call them Christians. Call them Dixie Americans, Germans, Americans. Are you American? Yes, call them fellow Americans. Because they actually are. But can't call them Christians. Because they actually are not.

 

[JollyRoger]

Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

No far from bin Laden's pep talks.

 

[Tigranes]

No far from bin Laden's pep talks.

Okay. How far is the flesh from spiritual force of wickedness? I know it's a night time there in Texas, and I don't mean to pollute your thoughts, but could you touch some kind of flesh with blood in it? Good. Now try to reach for spiritual force of wickedness. Oh, you're saying it is an entirely imaginary realm you don't even believe to exist in a first place? Well, this ends the demonstration.

 

[Narz]

"Christian" terrorism? Don't the KKK burn crosses?

What's the agenda that Christians are as bad as Muslims when it comes to faith based murder? I'd agree they were certainly worse when their religion was as young as Islam is.

 

[Berzerker]

Muhammad rejected Jesus, the double standard you see ignores that reality. If an alleged Christian kills "sinners" I can easily dismiss them as false based on the teachings of Jesus, but how can I do the same for a Muslim who kills sinners defined by Muhammad?

If Jesus walked around endorsing a death penalty for various "sins" then you'd have an argument. But if Muhammad wants apostates killed and Muslims kill apostates, how do I argue against them? Why are they false Muslims?

 

[JollyRoger]

Okay. How far is the flesh from spiritual force of wickedness? I know it's a night time there in Texas, and I don't mean to pollute your thoughts, but could you touch some kind of flesh with blood in it? Good. Now try to reach for spiritual force of wickedness. Oh, you're saying it is an entirely imaginary realm you don't even believe to exist in a first place? Well, this ends the demonstration.

Your flesh from spiritual force justifies Christian militarism (end days) just as bin laden justifies his violence from pointing to scripture

 

[bhavv]

What makes you think that suicide bombing is the most gruesome form of terrorism?

Did I even say that? Nope.

How exactly does Christianity get a free pass as being exempt from terrorism? Recent cases of abortion doctors being shot by christians is obvious terrorism. As is the ongoing christian belief that all non believers will suffer eternal damnation and suffering in hell, and that the earth will experience armageddon / apocalypse when Jesus returns.

Christianity really is no 'religion of love', just as Islam is not a 'religion of peace'. (Both are essentially convert or die based beliefs).

 

[Formaldehyde]

Who claims that Christianity is a religion of peace? They don't, for the most part. Exceptions exist, such as Mennonites and Quakers. The hymn is "Onward Christian Soldiers."

So you decided to completely ignore the comments in this thread made by Tigranes which I was clearly addressing?

Wait... You and ... love? Strange word in the lips of someone that spews nothing but unsubstantiated hate through out of this waste of a thread.

That "hate" is actually nothing of the sort. The only "hate" here seems to be your incessant personal attacks for merely stating the obvious based on documented facts.

Did 6 Confederate soldiers follow Christ? Did Nazis in 30s? Did Iraqi invaders in 2003? No? Then don't call them Christians. Call them Dixie Americans, Germans, Americans. Are you American? Yes, call them fellow Americans. Because they actually are. But can't call them Christians. Because they actually are not.

Once again, how can you possibly claim that Christians who commit atrocities can't possibly be Christians, while Muslims are? Members of all three Abrahamic religions falsely use their religion as a basis to spread real "hate", instead of the pretend kind you continue to use as a form of hateful propaganda. How can you just ignore such blatant hypocrisy?

Does this mean you also aren't really a Christian since you are clearly violating all sorts of Christian dogma by incessantly making clearly ludicrous allegations, and by not being compassionate especially given that your criticisms are clearly just so much concocted nonsense? Or are there even different rules regarding your own statements?

Isn't it odd that virtually nobody was claiming the Nazis weren't really Christians back then, much less the Roman Catholic Church by actively promoting antisemitism through passion plays. A practice they didn't stop until the 60s when antisemitism went dramatically down as a direct result.

 

[aelf]

Do you get this, especially the bold part? Muslim terrorism is inspired by founder of Islam, who would rob caravans and and execute prisoners. So called Christian terrorism goes against the Christ who would heal attackers injured by self defense of his follower. You are not confusing apples with oranges here, you are confusing stones with apples.

The Jews were commanded by the same God in the Scriptures to kill every single one of an enemy tribe. They didn't and took wives from the tribe instead of killing them. God punished them for it; the same God whose begotten son is and who is consubstantial with Jesus Christ.

Let's not pretend that the Bible isn't replete with divinely-sanctioned mass killings that do not need to be theologically explained away.